Sport Jiu-Jitsu in a street fight, Its not all the same!

[JohnSouth]

Why is Atlanta a third world country. I know why you think it is, but I'd like you to say it if you're brazen enough. What happens in third world countries? You suggest we go. I've been. So, like all of this (your entire post history)are you just spouting unfounded bullshit?

As said before the easiest way to avoid a fight is to be socially aware and conscious of your actions and surroundings. and LOL at the poster that said racist shit to a Hispanic poster in the WR calling me nasty. I take that as a compliment.

I see what this is about.

Nope, have a nice day and sorry you lost.

 

[Codger]

Let's see...he says never go to the ground, hit them before they hit you.

The same stuff I always say that everyone rags on me about.

Maybe I'm Geoff Thompson. lol

Maybe you've read his book and think you're some kind of hard man? Who really knows.

People don't say you're wrong about not going to the ground if you can avoid it and striking early and hard. That's obvious common sense. What people rag you about is the way you appear to relish and brag about how you've done so in situations where it sounds like you could have avoided it, and how you proudly proclaim you won't back down even if it means dying etc.

Thompson is of course correct that real world violent confrontation is different to martial arts down the gym. But he also makes it very clear that one should walk away even when it's crushing to your ego. I quote from one of the books of his I have:"If I enter a bar and buy a drink for

 

[AgonyandIrony]

I see what this is about.

Nope, have a nice day and sorry you lost.

Too scared to say it. I had a little more faith in your bigotry.

 

[JohnSouth]

Maybe you've read his book and think you're some kind of hard man? Who really knows.

People don't say you're wrong about not going to the ground if you can avoid it and striking early and hard. That's obvious common sense. What people rag you about is the way you appear to relish and brag about how you've done so in situations where it sounds like you could have avoided it, and how you proudly proclaim you won't back down even if it means dying etc.

Thompson is of course correct that real world violent confrontation is different to martial arts down the gym. But he also makes it very clear that one should walk away even when it's crushing to your ego. I quote from one of the books of his I have:"If I enter a bar and buy a drink for

 

[Codger]

Use your own judgement, watch the dang tape already.

Is his arm exposed and away from his body or not? If it is you can tap him or at least try.

I never said I'd do better, you can't read.

Besides all you're saying is Ryron has perfect defense and gave him no opportunity to score.

Which is kind of the same as saying he's real good.

I'm saying you're an idiot for thinking that watching a fight and thinking "oh he ought to have done this" is in any way meaningful. You weren't in the fight, feeling what Galvao was feeling.

For the record, of course I think Ryron's JJ is read good. Is that under any debate? He has excellent defence. And under sport JJ rules, with great defence, you can hold off even really good people for quite a while if you don't bother attacking. But I'm unsure as to what this proves?

 

[Codger]

But I ain't backing down and i'm happy to die.

Then you're a moron.

 

[JohnSouth]

Then you're a moron.

No I'm aware of the danger, I disregard it.

You are unintelligent and afraid to fight.

 

[JohnSouth]

I'm saying you're an idiot for thinking that watching a fight and thinking "oh he ought to have done this" is in any way meaningful. You weren't in the fight, feeling what Galvao was feeling.

For the record, of course I think Ryron's JJ is read good. Is that under any debate? He has excellent defence. And under sport JJ rules, with great defence, you can hold off even really good people for quite a while if you don't bother attacking. But I'm unsure as to what this proves?

That they have good defense. That was half my argument, good boy!

The other half is since they have such good defense they also understand offense real well.

Now here's a cookie.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Yeah people probably should walk away but I'm standing my ground.

I enjoy inflicting pain on bad people and I've been doing it my whole life.

Where I came from if someone insulted you that meant they were going to hit you. If you tried to de escalate they'd say "this guy's a chump", let's use him as a punching bag.

I never fought in a pub, just goes to show the gulf in our experiences. I did get aggressive stares from a neanderthal once, I stared him down and he walked away. That's because I'm actually a violent guy, he's a pretend violent guy and he knows it.

That's my version of de escalation. I'll let you back down and I'll give you a way out so you can save face. But I ain't backing down and i'm happy to die when my time comes. I'm afraid to die but I'll do it anyway and I'll die over a nickel.

That's me, don't like it, don't care.

What defines someone as bad to you? Because everything you've ever posted has alluded to you being a disgusting human being.

 

[JohnSouth]

What defines someone as bad to you? Because everything you've ever posted has alluded to you being a disgusting human being.

Someone who starts fights and picks on those he deems weaker for fun or otherwise.

I'd put you in that category.

 

[Gambledub]

Maybe you've read his book and think you're some kind of hard man? Who really knows.

People don't say you're wrong about not going to the ground if you can avoid it and striking early and hard. That's obvious common sense. What people rag you about is the way you appear to relish and brag about how you've done so in situations where it sounds like you could have avoided it, and how you proudly proclaim you won't back down even if it means dying etc.

Thompson is of course correct that real world violent confrontation is different to martial arts down the gym. But he also makes it very clear that one should walk away even when it's crushing to your ego. I quote from one of the books of his I have:"If I enter a bar and buy a drink for

 

[Codger]

No I'm aware of the danger, I disregard it.

Yes that's the moronic bit.

You are unintelligent and afraid to fight.

And you come off as a silly little troll. I won't bore you with my IQ or academic scores but you're factually wrong there too.

I've had a fair few fights when younger partly from inability to back down and generally being stupid kid. I've been in proper fights including fighting some gang members in Moss Side, being surprise attacked by a local estate crew in a London boozer and so on. I still have a scar from where dude bit a piece out of me.

Yes I was afraid but I fought anyway. And you know what? With better pre-fight awareness and less drink I could have avoided most of them. Not all of them. The Moss Side one I'd do again because they attacked a guy with a brick from behind and I wasn't going to stand by and watch that. Probably could have even avoided that if I wasn't pissed up and hanging around a bad area.

I'm not one of the guys who thinks it's possible to avoid all fights in all areas. I'm also not claiming sports BJJ is the perfect street violence art. I think that if one is interested in such things then one should train with punches involved and think about awareness and how violence actually works. I think you need a couple of boxing shots at your disposal. I don't however think much of the GJJ SD curriculum is realistic or useful in most street violence.

 

[Codger]

Ever read his book "The Art of Fighting Without Fighting" it's a great read. I guarantee it is more beneficial than 90% of self defence curriculums.

Yeah I've got that one. There are a few that kind of cover the same things. I read his bouncer book was was a bit of "geezer-porn" with him excusing a decade of beating people up before they've even tried to hit him. I get the impression he was an arse-hole in his early days. But he learned from it which is more than you can say of everyone...

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Someone who starts fights and picks on those he deems weaker for fun or otherwise.

I'd put you in that category.

So you believe in throwing the first punch right, when do you stop punching?

 

[jack36767]

DEAR JOHNSOUTH

I have not once, not twice, but three times addressed the fact that based on the fact I too grew up and have lived in shitty low income neighborhoods. That I have seen many altercations where someone, including (2 gjj practitioners btw) get fucked up by someone who knew what they were doing. Whether it was because they wrestled, did bjj, military and/or just mean mother fuckers who knew how to fight. Because of this IMO any self-defense system based on the opponent NOT KNOWING WHAT THEY ARE DOING does not hold up to me. I'll say it again. This isn't the 1990's challenge matches when almost NO ONE knew what the fuck bjj was...

 

[AgonyandIrony]

DEAR JOHNSOUTH

I have not once, not twice, but three times addressed the fact that based on the fact I too grew up and have lived in shitty low income neighborhoods. That I have seen many altercations where someone, including (2 gjj practitioners btw) get fucked up by someone who knew what they were doing. Whether it was because they wrestled, did bjj, military and/or just mean mother fuckers who knew how to fight. Because of this IMO any self-defense system based on the opponent NOT KNOWING WHAT THEY ARE DOING does not hold up to me. I'll say it again. This isn't the 1990's challenge matches when almost NO ONE knew what the fuck bjj was...

So pretty sure I found his other account on Stormfront. Google it yourself, the grammar, vernacular, all match up with the same user name with a fuck ton of posts about fighting and martial arts with the same mindset.

I'm not saying MMA is bad training but that's all it is and most of you guys are way overconfident training in a ring sport with no real experience and no weapons. Sorry but most of you suck, I've seen it. Most pros suck. Just stand there with no footwork and block punches with your face and roll around on the ground when it fails.

Quote from one of the stormfront (a Nazi website)threads. Also, his talk about the 2A lines up exactly with what he said in the war room.

Pretty sure he lives in Ohio as well. He dun goofed, I backtraced him.

 

[Codger]

So pretty sure I found his other account on Stormfront. Google it yourself, the grammar, vernacular, all match up with the same user name with a fuck ton of posts about fighting and martial arts with the same mindset.

Quote from one of the stormfront (a Nazi website)threads. Also, his talk about the 2A lines up exactly with what he said in the war room.

Pretty sure he lives in Ohio as well. He dun goofed, I backtraced him.

Yes you're right. I just read a few posts by Stormfront's "John South" and no doubt in my mind it's the same guy. He was having precisely the same argument about martial arts and da streetz using the same wording on that site back in 2013.

 

[jack36767]

So pretty sure I found his other account on Stormfront. Google it yourself, the grammar, vernacular, all match up with the same user name with a fuck ton of posts about fighting and martial arts with the same mindset.



Quote from one of the stormfront (a Nazi website)threads. Also, his talk about the 2A lines up exactly with what he said in the war room.

Pretty sure he lives in Ohio as well. He dun goofed, I backtraced him.

I grew up in Southwest Ohio and have a general idea of what the "tough" ghetto areas of each part of the state are, i.e.- the trailer parks in Cleves, Over the Rhine in Cincy, the West Side of Dayton, Downtown Cleveland etc.


Let me know where he lived and I'll let you know if his claims about fighting ghetto people in "Baltimore like" conditions is accurate haha

 

[AgonyandIrony]

Yes you're right. I just read a few posts by Stormfront's "John South" and no doubt in my mind it's the same guy. He was having precisely the same argument about martial arts and da streetz using the same wording on that site back in 2013.

Yeah, I was pretty certain as soon as I read it. Considering his posts about fighting, race, women, the guv'ment taking his guns (all on Sherdog). It matches up perfectly.

I'm like a fucking detective. If he lives in Ohio I'm pretty sure I know exactly who he is.

 

[JohnSouth]

DEAR JOHNSOUTH

I have not once, not twice, but three times addressed the fact that based on the fact I too grew up and have lived in shitty low income neighborhoods. That I have seen many altercations where someone, including (2 gjj practitioners btw) get fucked up by someone who knew what they were doing. Whether it was because they wrestled, did bjj, military and/or just mean mother fuckers who knew how to fight. Because of this IMO any self-defense system based on the opponent NOT KNOWING WHAT THEY ARE DOING does not hold up to me. I'll say it again. This isn't the 1990's challenge matches when almost NO ONE knew what the fuck bjj was...

It's not, I just posted a video of a GJJ brown belt beating a 50/50 brown belt in a tournament.

We only do a couple self defense moves before the main class, then roll for like 2 hours. We do the same exact shit you do except we also do self defense. We do Judo and wrestling takedowns in sparring. Do you? lol

But you should do striking which is why I suggest Kyokushin or Muay Thai, whichever you prefer.