Democrat Congresswoman Calls Millions Of Americans "Domestic Security Threats"

[Jack V Savage]

No. I think it is to instill the need to oppose this hateful agenda.

LOL!

How many Democrat Congressman have been shot by right wingers of late? How many neighborhoods burned down by right wing riots?

There has been one shooting incident recently. And I don't recall the last neighborhood riot. So those metrics seem to be ineffective to capture the trends here. What did you think of the poll showing that half of Republicans would support Trump efforts to postpone the 2020 election? That's a real thing, and it seems more meaningful than picking random incidents. Got any stats on online death threats? I don't, but my observation is that they come overwhelmingly from the right.

http://rooseveltinstitute.org/six-reasons-manufacturing-central-economy/

Thanks for the link, but this doesn't answer my question. Is the economic benefit from gun manufacturing higher than for other forms of manufacturing?

 

[Anung Un Rama]

1: It is, and it is.

but not because, and no.

2: This was just one program that was expanded under national socialism. That would be enough proof for any rational, objective observer.

Yeah, no again. 1 policy does not an ideological government make. And continuing a policy, that has existed for 50 years fails to support your argument.

Since I suspect you will only accept as proof, policies that began and ended under Nazi Germany, here's a little gem from 1938:

When a large share of Mefo’s five-year promissory notes fell due in 1938, the National Socialist government employed “highly dubious methods” where “banks were forced to buy government bonds, and the government took money from savings accounts and insurance companies,” due mainly to a serious government cash shortage.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany

a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Well seeing as socialism is worker/ citizen centric, this would fail as a definition of socialism.

Sounds more like fascism, yeah?

1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

I would love to hear the argument of how this policy was anything other than socialist.

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3: I'm still just waiting on a valid refutation or counter argument. None of your arguments have disproven the fact that the Nazis were Socialist.

Well the onus is on you to prove it is socialist and you've failed. I've countered with several examples which you have ignored.

This paragraph was just you trying to attach labels without presenting any proof or arguments.

If you make an assertion that something is "X", you have to actually prove why something is "X", like I did.

That is exactly how you started your argument. I have given examples all along this thread. Nazi Germany was fascist not socialist.

Do you think America is a Socialist government?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I have and you can't understand it. And I am honest 100% of the time so you can shove your personal attack up your ass.

Here's the shit you said recently.

There is zero confusion on my part. It is a call to arms but I didn't claim it would be successful and I didn't say NRA member types are going to start shooting people over it. My bet is gun sales get a bump, which have been stagnant since Rs took power.

I can believe that a message is shit and dangerous without predicting the end of civilization. I've said this to you before but you can ask for my views and avoid confusing yourself and jumping to conclusions.

Didn't say you claimed it would be. All I did was test how much of a "threat" you thought this would be by offering to bet on whether or not violence ensues. It's an effort to gauge the level to which you believe it dangerous. What I'm hearing is you don't believe there's much danger because you won't make any claims to expecting any violence. Not sure how you can disagree with that assessment.

You know damn well that most people aren't capable of committing senseless violence but the message will motivate people to buy more guns and be pissed off at liberals.

If anyone does commit violence because of the video they're mentally unstable to begin with.

Again, you can ask someone to commit violence and if they do not, that doesn't mean you didn't ask them to commit violence. The NRA just wants to raise gun sales.

You're creating a ridiculous bet that you think proves our arguments wrong, but it does not.

Again, the purpose is to gauge your belief/confidence in there being a threat to domestic security. One can't really call something a threat without the possibility of some consequence.

This won't do shit to gun sales. Fear of lies by the media is a non-factor. Fear of legislation drives sales, not anti-liberal NRA rhetoric. Anyone who actively watches the market understands this.

So you're going to keep ignoring what I said? Fucking unreal man. It's like you want to remain dumb.

I'm addressing your posts for the second time and in a different manner. That's how an adult makes an effort to communicate. You should try it.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Didn't say you claimed it would be. All I did was test how much of a "threat" you thought this would be by offering to bet on whether or not violence ensues.

I absolutely expect political violence to result from the hateful rhetoric coming from the right. I don't think it can be predicted with the kind of precision you're asking for, though. I don't see how anyone can watch that ad and not see how incendiary it is. @IngaVovchanchyn has no conscience and will say anything to defend her side, but you gotta be able to see it.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

There has been one shooting incident recently. And I don't recall the last neighborhood riot. So those metrics seem to be ineffective to capture the trends here.

Typical. You are too worried about political violence that has not materialized on the right to remember the actual political violence of the left.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Typical. You are too worried about political violence that has not materialized on the right to remember the actual political violence of the left.

It's typical of me to prefer a data-based discussion instead of slinging anecdotes around. It's typical of you to disingenuously defend hateful rhetoric from your "side."

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I absolutely expect political violence to result from the hateful rhetoric coming from the right. I don't think it can be predicted with the kind of precision you're asking for, though. I don't see how anyone can watch that ad and not see how incendiary it is. @IngaVovchanchyn has no conscience and will say anything to defend her side, but you gotta be able to see it.

Sure, they used rhetoric that would appeal to their members. I see how people can read plenty into it. What I don't see is any violent history on the part of the speaker or organization. The NRA operates through the courts. So when weighing all the factors it's kinda silly to think the NRA is looking to incite violence.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

I absolutely expect political violence to result from the hateful rhetoric coming from the right. I don't think it can be predicted with the kind of precision you're asking for, though. I don't see how anyone can watch that ad and not see how incendiary it is. @IngaVovchanchyn has no conscience and will say anything to defend her side, but you gotta be able to see it.

This is the irony of trying to talk about the dangers of hateful rhetoric with guys like Jack. No matter what we discuss, somehow I must be demonized, because you see, I'm not just wrong; I'm evil.

As further irony, I can be found often on these boards criticizing Trump or Sessions or Ryan, although I also often defend them. Any honest lefty in the War Room can think of at least once I admitted "my side" was wrong about something. Jack is in contrast a total hack and notorious for being such.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

It's typical of me to prefer a data-based discussion instead of slinging anecdotes around. It's typical of you to disingenuously defend hateful rhetoric from your "side."

Data based observations would lead you to acknowledge that political violence has recently been a much larger problem on the left than from the right.

 

[Jack V Savage]

This is the irony of trying to talk about the dangers of hateful rhetoric with guys like Jack. No matter what we discuss, somehow I must be demonized, because you see, I'm not just wrong; I'm evil.

No, I think that you have no moral compass, consistently. You can be right on issues (as I've acknowledged many times), but your character is always what it is. And when have you ever seen me defend that kind of hateful rhetoric from anyone?

As further irony, I can be found often on these boards criticizing Trump or Sessions or Ryan, although I also often defend them. Any honest lefty in the War Room can think of at least once I admitted "my side" was wrong about something. Jack is in contrast a total hack and notorious for being such.

Anyone who doesn't buy the GOP party line is a "hack" to you and others like you.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Data based observations would lead you to acknowledge that political violence has recently been a much larger problem on the left than from the right.

Really? Can you cite?

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

No, I think that you have no moral compass, consistently. You can be right on issues (as I've acknowledged many times), but your character is always what it is. And when have you ever seen me defend that kind of hateful rhetoric from anyone?

Defend such hateful rhetoric? I think you are a principle source of it.

Anyone who doesn't buy the GOP party line is a "hack" to you and others like you.

Not at all. I'm not even an extremely loyal GOP voter. You are a hack because you are so partisan you conceive of CNN as being biased toward Donald Trump. Party affiliation that strongly warps your sense of reality. At my most enthusiastically pro-Republican I see them as the lesser evil.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Defend such hateful rhetoric? I think you are a principle source of it.

So just disagreeing with you or having higher moral standards than you?

 

[Gregolian]

All I want to say is I find it hilarious the two NRA spokespeople that anti-gunners go after the most... one is a woman and the other is a black man.

 

[TheStruggle]

All I want to say is I find it hilarious the two NRA spokespeople that anti-gunners go after the most... one is a woman and the other is a black man.

It's only sexist and racist when they are democrats

 

[AgonyandIrony]

She is objectively on-point. The NRA has knowingly used disinformation to encourage violence.

And I'm quite pro-gun rights.

I basically feel the same way. I support the 2A but the corporate infiltration of the NRA is quite bothersome.

 

[NC252]

NRA members are all pussies when it comes down to it.

Are you trying to get shot?

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

but not because, and no.
Yeah, no again. 1 policy does not an ideological government make. And continuing a policy, that has existed for 50 years fails to support your argument.



Well seeing as socialism is worker/ citizen centric, this would fail as a definition of socialism.

Sounds more like fascism, yeah?

. Still loving it?


Well the onus is on you to prove it is socialist and you've failed. I've countered with several examples which you have ignored.




That is exactly how you started your argument. I have given examples all along this thread. Nazi Germany was fascist not socialist.

Do you think America is a Socialist government?

I would love it even more if your post actually proved what you thought it did.

You haven't disproven the fact that the Nazis were socialists.

What you've done, is a poor attempt at redefining socialism into something more agreeable.

If you come with something a little better than your own made-up definitions, then we'll continue this conversation.

Until then, travel well friend.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I would love it even more if your post actually proved what you thought it did.

You haven't disproven the fact that the Nazis were socialists.

What you've done, is a poor attempt at redefining socialism into something more agreeable.

If you come with something a little better than your own made-up definitions, then we'll continue this conversation.

Until then, travel well friend.

lol those definitions came from Websters

 

[WiolentOne]

You have to understand that leftists like her will always view 2nd Amendment advocates as a threat.

She's mad because she knows she can't come and take it!