If it wasn't Trump

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

If it were someone else, then that person wouldn't be running a real estate business and borrowing money from countries like Russia and then lobbying on behalf of Russia in congress to not impose sanctions even after they attacked us. Yeah I have a feeling if a non-traitor sociopath billionaire was in office, i have a feeling there would be less hate. Plus he grabs pussies without consent.

Trumptard idiot

The American electorate really abdicated responsibility this time

 

[lfd0311]

@Trotsky well?

 

[MeatheadMike]

I'm sure TS was also just as upset when the right was blaming literally everything on Obama.

 

[Trotsky]

@Trotsky well?

What?

You're wanting me to go back to the previous ACA thread where you claimed its provisions shifted the fiscal burden of its funding onto the middle class, and off of the top 1%, when very basic inquiry into the bill and its effects showed that it did the exact opposite? Where @Jack V Savage I believe pointed out that funding of the ACA held middle class taxes constant, while bringing the tax rate of the top 1% to the highest point/percentage since 1981? If you really do want me to go look those up, I can try.

Regardless, I gave you several chances to redeem yourself in that thread, and you tucked your pussy and regurgitated the same illiterate talking points in other threads, such as this one. I'm not going to keep addressing your vague comments about the ACA, and access to healthcare in general, being a boon on non-upper class productivity. There are enough mounds of objective data to the contrary, that any reader worth their snuff can verify.

As far as your purported point on "millions" of those being thrown off healthcare not wanting it in the first place: that's stupid. Those persons make up a negligible cross section of enrollees, since the tax penalty for non-coverage was made a fraction of the costs of coverage, and even if they did exist to any meaningful extent, their being uninsured would shift costs onto the rest of consumers anyways.

As far as NAFTA, I don't have any "particular provision" that I do not like: I don't like the agreement in its entirety.

As far as Trump's renegotiation of NAFTA using the TPP agreement he previously (and correctly, I believed, ignorant to how ignorant Trump was) railed against, I oppose provisions that would allocate political power to transnational corporations by way of making their dispute resolution processes extralegal. The grossest features of TPP were such provisions that insulated international business from state processes and non-corporate considerations.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrap...-day-and-be-based-on-obamas-tpp/#6ad4c7076016
https://www.thenation.com/article/t...nafta-is-starting-to-look-a-lot-like-the-tpp/
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...mps-nafta-goals-arent-new-theyre-from-the-tpp

 

[lfd0311]

What?

You're wanting me to go back to the previous ACA thread where you claimed its provisions shifted the fiscal burden of its funding onto the middle class, and off of the top 1%, when very basic inquiry into the bill and its effects showed that it did the exact opposite? Where @Jack V Savage I believe pointed out that funding of the ACA held middle class taxes constant, while bringing the tax rate of the top 1% to the highest point/percentage since 1981? If you really do want me to go look those up, I can try

Tax increases for the rich. That's literally you're only talking point. You don't have anything else.

Regardless, I gave you several chances to redeem yourself in that thread, and you tucked your pussy and regurgitated the same illiterate talking points in other threads, such as this one. I'm not going to keep addressing your vague comments about the ACA, and access to healthcare in general, being a boon on non-upper class productivity. There are enough mounds of objective data to the contrary, that any reader worth their snuff can verify

Really? I've done this to you a number of times. You've always been going to "get back to me later" or "don't make me do such and such an empty threat". You're obviously just like Jack. Someone who isn't actually affected by the things you're talking about. Obamacare is set up to hurt the Middle Class for the benefit of the insurance companies. Many people, including myself now have to pay more for worse insurance. You refuse to address this. My wife and I will also be fined to the tune of 1500 dollars a month for having the audacity to have our whole family on a single plan, something else you refuse to address. Talk to me more about some of this "Mountain of Objective data" you're babbling about.

As far as your purported point on "millions" of those being thrown off healthcare not wanting it in the first place: that's stupid. Those persons make up a negligible cross section of enrollees, since the tax penalty for non-coverage was made a fraction of the costs of coverage, and even if they did exist to any meaningful extent, their being uninsured would shift costs onto the rest of consumers anyways.

No, it's the net average for a Bronze plan for one year. The Government is going to get it's money. Apparently your "Mountain of objective data" missed that, too.

As far as NAFTA, I don't have any "particular provision" that I do not like: I don't like the agreement in its entirety.

So... No real actual opinions of your own on that one either? Shocking.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

You are just going to sit on the fence and watch as the left tears down everything that is meaningful? The left does not care for anything. They do not care for family, morality, tradition, self-responsibility, hard work, humility, modesty, religion and so on. If the left is allowed to take things too far, then society will collapse.

If the left is not put in check, then hedonism, welfare, affirmative action and moral relativism will ruin everything the people who came before us worked so hard to build.

Lol this is what you believe ?

 

[DickSarp]

10 months in and you bitches are still protesting...
Just because you lost too. His policies are pretty center. And don't even bring up immigration and make me post some Bill Clinton speeches.

Propaganda works. That's why advertising is a multibillion dollar industry and all major countries have some equivalent of a ministery of propaganda.

Russian propaganda helped sway the election to the colluding Trump team. They cheated to win. How do I know? Propaganda works. That's why it's done.

Now Cossack Don is having his past come back to haunt him like Ebenezer fucking Scrooge. The money laundering, the fraud, the bribery, the collusion with drug cartels and the financing of his 'empire' by Mother Russia.

How anyone can look at this walking clusterfuck of a president and declare that he's 'doing a good job' is criminal and an indictment of our modern educational system.

You say his policies are 'pretty center'...where? At the fucking John Birch Society or KKK or Nazi party? Rough up minorities, praise Nazis, strip insurance from millions of kids and adult Americans, cut Taxes for the rich and stick it to the middle class, resuscitate coal instead of joining the 21st century's movement to cleaner energy. Yeah that's really a moderate platform.

Who the fuck makes you people?

 

[FrankensteinMMA]

There would still be an irrational level of hatred but not quite as much. Trump actually engages and owns the left on a regular basis. That drives them nuts.

If anything trump has been useful in making the left rich because he is a gold mine for jokes.

 

[TheComebackKid]

If anything trump has been useful in making the left rich because he is a gold mine for jokes.

He's got comedians opening their shows literally crying.

 

[FrankensteinMMA]

He's got comedians opening their shows literally crying.

Im not sure what you are watching but I never got into late night news until trump cam along and made them funny.

 

[nac386]

Obama was called Hitler for 8 years. Muslim, gay, Kenyan, stuttering Hitler. All while being, even at his worst, thoughtful and articulate.

Trump is held to the lowest standard of any politician I've ever seen. He's actually held to the lowest standard of any adult, outside of people like the Kardashians.

This whole idea that people are mean to Trump just because he is Trump is hilarious. He has earned mountains of criticism.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Im not sure what you are watching but I never got into late night news until trump cam along and made them funny.

That says more about your level of humor then anything

 

[MMAViewer]

If it wasn't Trump, will there still be so much hatred? I mean a different President but the same exact view.

I think not. Too many libtards be going, "cuz trump" like that explains anything. I'll give you another example. Did you know that Clinton and Obama laid the ground work for Trumps immigration plans? They once said that immigration is good but we're a land of the law and illegal immigration is breaking the law. Or something like that.

These most recent democrat Presidents share the same view and belief that illegal immigration is bad for the country and received massive support. It's like just because Trump became President, then all of a sudden everyone started following politics. Nobody gave a fuck before Trump. Bet half of these SJW millennial don't even know who the previous presidents were.

What do you guys think? All these hatred and social justice cuz of Trump or do they really believe in what they're talking about? Are they all new to politics or old veterans?

holy retard!

cuz nobody hate the black guy lol?
are you fucking blind?!?!?

 

[Throttlehead]

Lol this is what you believe ?

Only when off his meds.

 

[MMAViewer]

stopped reading at "libtards" go watch Fox news you George Bush clone.

yup conservative radio Limbaugh listeners fall for this shit all day long, have no original thoughts to save their lives

 

[Trotsky]

Tax increases for the rich. That's literally you're only talking point. You don't have anything else.

I don't need anything else.

You said it increased taxes on the middle class and gave a tax break to the rich. You said that because you're a moron. And you were proved wrong. You were shown that a great service was provided to the lower and lower-middle classes on the dime of the 1%.

Don't blame me that this anecdote is a perfect microcosm of how little you know about the ACA and about the policies of the two major American parties re the middle class.

Really? I've done this to you a number of times. You've always been going to "get back to me later" or "don't make me do such and such an empty threat". You're obviously just like Jack. Someone who isn't actually affected by the things you're talking about. Obamacare is set up to hurt the Middle Class for the benefit of the insurance companies.

Ahh, yes, that's why the insurance industry railed hard against it and have scapegoated the ACA for their profit floors, and why conservative morons like you use their flight from the law's coverage as some symbol that the law is imminently doomed and that's why millions have to have their coverage revoked so that billionaires can get more money.

Many people, including myself now have to pay more for worse insurance.

No you don't. The ACA slowed price growth and instituted substantive floors on the services covered. There is literally zero way that your coverage could have gotten worse.

You refuse to address this. My wife and I will also be fined to the tune of 1500 dollars a month for having the audacity to have our whole family on a single plan, something else you refuse to address. Talk to me more about some of this "Mountain of Objective data" you're babbling about.

I don't care about your anecdote: everyone seems to have them, but can't refute the data showing the ACA slowed price growth and expanded coverage. If you want me to spam you with a fuck ton of article and studies proving this, none of which you will read, just say the word and I'll dump them on your illiterate lap.

Hell, that would be a hell of a lot easier than digging up your idiotic posts on the ACA.

Also, I could give two shits about your cunt of a wife. If she married you, I imagine that her healthcare premiums are the least of her problems.

So... No real actual opinions of your own on that one either? Shocking.

You do realize that NAFTA hasn't been renegotiated right? So, I can't give you the specific changes that I do not like.

Derp.

 

[lilelvis]

Propaganda works. That's why advertising is a multibillion dollar industry and all major countries have some equivalent of a ministery of propaganda.

Russian propaganda helped sway the election to the colluding Trump team. They cheated to win. How do I know? Propaganda works. That's why it's done.

Now Cossack Don is having his past come back to haunt him like Ebenezer fucking Scrooge. The money laundering, the fraud, the bribery, the collusion with drug cartels and the financing of his 'empire' by Mother Russia.

How anyone can look at this walking clusterfuck of a president and declare that he's 'doing a good job' is criminal and an indictment of our modern educational system.

You say his policies are 'pretty center'...where? At the fucking John Birch Society or KKK or Nazi party? Rough up minorities, praise Nazis, strip insurance from millions of kids and adult Americans, cut Taxes for the rich and stick it to the middle class, resuscitate coal instead of joining the 21st century's movement to cleaner energy. Yeah that's really a moderate platform.

Who the fuck makes you people?

<Lmaoo>

 

[forum poster]

This kind explains the whole MGTOW/far right and their toxic attitudes towards women. There chase after the ditzy girls and then they're surprised when they get burned by a gold digging whore.

 

[lilelvis]

This kind explains the whole MGTOW/far right and their toxic attitudes towards women. There chase after the ditzy girls and then they're surprised when they get burned by a gold digging whore.

 

[lfd0311]

I don't need anything else.

You said it increased taxes on the middle class and gave a tax break to the rich. You said that because you're a moron. And you were proved wrong. You were shown that a great service was provided to the lower and lower-middle classes on the dime of the 1%.

Don't blame me that this anecdote is a perfect microcosm of how little you know about the ACA and about the policies of the two major American parties re the middle class.

Where did I say it increased taxes to the Middle Class? I said it shifts the cost onto the Middle Class, just like everything else the government does. You clearly don't actually work or pay bills of any sort. You're just repeating nonsensical Liberal talking points that are discredited by the actual real lives the majority of Americans are living. You're so deep in the bubble of Liberalism that you see the real world as an "anecdote", That's you not knowing or understanding how the world around you works. They can raise taxes on "the rich" as much as they want to. If they don't cut taxes for the Middle Classes while continuing to shift more of the actual burden off onto those people it doesn't matter. The government can't run without the bulk of it's income coming from the middle. They aren't paying for all of this nonsense with a small tax increase on the wealthy. Add those top 3 tax brackets up. There's maybe what, 3 million people in the country that fall into those brackets? You're amazingly, absurdly naive if you think that's where all the money is coming from.

https://taxfoundation.org/how-many-taxpayers-fall-each-income-tax-bracket/

Ahh, yes, that's why the insurance industry railed hard against it and have scapegoated the ACA for their profit floors, and why conservative morons like you use their flight from the law's coverage as some symbol that the law is imminently doomed and that's why millions have to have their coverage revoked so that billionaires can get more money.

Dude, honestly, how naive are you? The insurance companies own almost everybody, on both sides of the isle. Senators, Congressmen, everybody up to and including Barack Obama. They were one of his biggest donors in 2008. Do you think after buying up everybody on both sides including the guy running the show they couldn't get something stopped that they didn't want to happen? That wasn't actually in their best interests? Wow. And read this again and think about it real slowly:

so that billionaires can get more money

No you don't. The ACA slowed price growth and instituted substantive floors on the services covered. There is literally zero way that your coverage could have gotten worse

Once again, this is a proof positive example that you don't have any idea what you're talking about. You don't have any real life experience either with Obamacare, or with the system prior to Obamacare. Prior to Obamacare, if I got sick, If I was injured, if anything whatsoever happened to me my yearly deductible was 200 dollars and any sort of service that I needed including specialists was completely covered if I went to a doctor that was in network. So I could have been hit by a train, started on fire, thrown from a bus and then run over and I was out 200 bucks. My premiums were very low, something like 10 bucks a month.

Today, for a similar plan, Best case scenario is 75-25 in network, with a co-pay in the office. That same plan is now 30 bucks a month. I have to pay more money up front, and I'd have to pay for a larger chunk of the bill in the event that something actually does happen to me because insurance won't cover it anymore. So the insurance company gets paid on both ends of the deal. Again, this is not something that is unique to me or my situation. This is now life for millions of Americans because of Obamacare. Now stick your fingers back over into your ears and mutter "nuh uh, nuh uh, nuh uh" over and over to yourself like a good little boy.

I don't care about your anecdote: everyone seems to have them

ROFL. Stop and think about how absurd of a statement that is for a second. If everybody is saying the same thing it isn't anecdotal anymore, you moron.

but can't refute the data showing the ACA slowed price growth and expanded coverage. If you want me to spam you with a fuck ton of article and studies proving this, none of which you will read, just say the word and I'll dump them on your illiterate lap.

It has been refuted. A bunch of times. You just choose to ignore it and read things that support what you think. Because you're clearly a closed minded, tribal thinker who thinks refusing to achknowldege facts is some sort of an argument, and that saying "nuh uh" to everything makes you right somehow.

https://ldi.upenn.edu/brief/effects-aca-health-care-cost-containment


My personal favorite section:

Why the dramatic slowdown from 2007-2013? Studies estimate that the 2007-2009 recession and the slow recovery from it explained somewhere between 37 percent and 70 percent of the slowdown. Others point to the spread of high-deductible health plans (HDHPs), which incentivize price-conscious consumers to shop for care and avoid low value care. Just four percent of employers offered HDHPs in 2005; by 2011, nearly a third of employers offered such plans. A 2013 study suggested that less generous benefit design might have accounted for 20 percent of the slowdown. Slower adoption of expensive new medical technology and fewer new blockbuster drugs may have also been contributing factors.

Also, I could give two shits about your cunt of a wife. If she married you, I imagine that her healthcare premiums are the least of her problems.

Aww, look at the sad little rustled man who is getting rustled and sad because he can't actually make his sad little rustled points.

Look, an actual intelligent, objective person would see things like this (note I'm not the only one saying it) and think "gee, maybe I should re-evaluate my position as I am clearly not as well informed as I thought". Not you though, big shooter. You're just going to stick right with that "Mountains of objective information" schtick you're running with. That's commendable. I mean, it's not working, you aren't winning and you look silly, but way to stay loyal to an argument.

You do realize that NAFTA hasn't been renegotiated right? So, I can't give you the specific changes that I do not like.

Derp.

Translation - It hasn't been renegotiated, therefore no Liberal talking heads in the media have written any articles telling me what Trump screwed up, nor what positions I'm supposed to take to appear to be on the right side of things, therefore I cannot give you an opinion, as my opinions have not been published by other people yet.

Thanks bud, I had figured that already, that was sort of the reason behind asking in the first place.