The END of the G.O.A.T. Debate

If that's all the mud you got we can consider this argument over. GSP has only 2 losses on his record. One to an all time great in Matt Hughes and the other to Matt Serra. Both losses were emphatically avenged. Though the lose to Serra may seem egregious because he lost to an undersized "journeyman" Fedor too was floored and stopped cold by perennial MW Dan Henderson.

GSP's fight ledger is also free of any cans, freak shows, and senseless/underserved fights, so we can just hop him over Ali and McGregor when it comes to combat sports greatness too if you want.
Fedor fought 5 times in 2003.

3 hard opponents and 2 extra fights to make money (one was actually a favor)

He fought three weeks after winning the world title from Nog. THREE WEEKS! Could you imagine any UFC champ doing that? He went to Lithuania to fight on their card as a favor to his contacts and smashed that dude.

He fought at the Inoki show on NYE that year versus Nagata. It wasn't even PRIDE. Fedor had a contract dispute with PRIDE and ended up fighting for Inoki to make big money to smash Nagata.

You can laugh all you want about Nagata as an opponent but Fedor grew up very poor. We can't fault the man for taking one extra fight. He had already fought 4 times that year! Should he have not accepted that paycheck and stayed home and just take a whole year off like Stipe is doing now??

No. He took that extra fight to make money. I wish we could see Stipe fight 5 times in a year, even if 2 are cans. Look at Werdum fighting Walt Harris and Tybura. To me he is a warrior staying active and taking risks but you same damn kids will probably nitpick his record one day too and say he fought cans!
 
Conor would beat Fedor in a boxing match. Fact.

Fedor's boxing is awful. It's not good. Granted that is a trend in MMA, but it's definitely not one Fedor breaks. Fedor has no footwork. Cry all you want, but don't make excuses about size. The dude isn't facing any good boxers either. If he can't get angles for jabs with T-rex arms like Cody can, it's because he isn't good.

Great grappling though. I already admitted that. However, like Ronda Fedor was only well-rounded by the standards of the division. Not the standards of reality.

Wrong. Fedor could compete at a high level regardless of were the fight took place. Fedor vs Crocop illustrated that point quite nicely.
 
Fedor > GSP > Aldo if he reclaims the belt. Tony Ferguson if he can get some defenses...
 
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Fedor is like some 5 foot basketball player from the 1800's that couldn't even be competitive in the juniors today.

"The GOAT" he will never be.

That's a ridiculous comparison. Mark Hunt was 5-7 in PRIDE/DREAM and was a HW title contender in the UFC recently, not to mention he is basically 1 big win away from fighting for the title.
 
That's a ridiculous comparison. Mark Hunt was 5-7 in PRIDE/DREAM and was a HW title contender in the UFC recently, not to mention he is basically 1 big win away from fighting for the title.

And who has he beat? He's been finished by anyone decent. Should tell you how good the HW division is!
 
If that's all the mud you got we can consider this argument over. GSP has only 2 losses on his record. One to an all time great in Matt Hughes and the other to Matt Serra. Both losses were emphatically avenged. Though the lose to Serra may seem egregious because he lost to an undersized "journeyman" Fedor too was floored and stopped cold by perennial MW Dan Henderson.

GSP's fight ledger is also free of any cans, freak shows, and senseless/underserved fights, so we can just hop him over Ali and McGregor when it comes to combat sports greatness too if you want.

Fedor was well past his prime and Hendo was all jacked up on TRT.

GSP was 26 and in the absolute peak of his athletic ability.

Sit yo ass down kiddo.
 
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The Greatest of All Time for a sport takes into consideration the following.....

1. Peak

- All athletes have a "Peak". In traditional sports its their best season(s). For fighters it is a dominant streak of fights. A time they looked completely unstoppable.

Examples:

- Jordan's 1992-1993 season
- Tom Brady's 2007 season
- Muhamad Ali from 1964-1967
- Fedor 2003-2009

2. Accomplishments

- The hardware earned. MVPs, Rings, Belts, Trophies, etc....

Examples:

- Bill Russels 11 rings
- Henri Richard 11 Stanley Cups
- Jack Niklaus 18 Major wins

3. Longevity

- How long did the athlete stay at the top or close to it?

Examples: None Needed

4. Unbelievable Feats/Wow Moments/Shockers/Whatever the fuck else you wanna call the "it" factor some athletes have

- Those plays, combos, subs, dunks, catches, etc. that you didn't even think were possible.

Examples:

- Ali KO Foreman
- Anderson dismantling of Griffin
- Jordans rock the baby dunk
- Wilt's 100 points

5. Clean and didn't cheat

- If an athlete cheats or gets popped for steroids they are out of the G.O.A.T. discussion. It isn't debatable.


NOW FOR THE MMA PORTION.....


What fighters are top 5 (no order) in each section?

PEAK

Fedor - Fought best HWs of his generation and was undefeated for 10years. Beat fighters at their own strengths. Dominated a division above is natural weight. Had elite finishing ability anywhere the fight went.

Anderson - Most UFC title defenses in a deep weight class. Made peope look dumb lke no other fighter ever has.

GSP - Absolutely dominated his opponents from a tactical aspect.

Conor - Never has a fighter shined as bright so fast. Only person to have to active titles and KO'd the best FW (at the time) ever in 12 seconds. Moved up and KO'd a top 5 LW of all time without even breaking a sweat. Say whatever you want about his personality, but he is a freak.

Jon Jones - Most naturally gifted athlete in MMA. Not in terms of explosion and muscles, but in terms of his ability to learn and apply any technique. He picks up wrestling, judo, BJJ and all the forms of striking faster than anyone I've ever seen.

Accomplishments

Fedor, Anderson, GSP, DJ & Jones

Longevity

Fedor, Anderson, GSP, DJ & Aldo

Unbelievable Feats/Wow Moments/Shockers/Whatever the fuck else you wanna call the "it" factor some athletes have

Anderson's dismantling of Griffin

GSP coming back and beating he MW champ like he did

Conor holding two titles simultaneously after KOing Aldo and Eddie in the brutal fashion he did

Fedor going 10 years without losing a round

Jones tear through the LHW division at its pinnacle. The gauntlet he went through was the hardest any fighter has.

Clean and didn't cheat

Fedor, GSP, Aldo, Conor & DJ



ONLY FEDOR AND GSP ARE IN ALL 5!!!!!!!!!



NOW FOR THE UNDENIABLE, IRREFUTABLE and FINAL ANSWER TO GOAT DISCUSSION.......


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GSP was a razor thin second place.
Fedor is a can crusher, go away.
 
(1) Compete in the best organization of the sport
(2) Consecutive winning streak
(3) Quality of opponent (opponent's record at the time of the fight)
(4) Finishing ratio.

All facts, only one subjective criteria "compete in the best organization of the sport," but still a pretty strong criteria. We can't have bums winning 100 fights in some no name league in China being GOATs. LOL
 
Fedor is a can crusher, go away.

He has wins over 5 UFC HW champions.

I guess UFC is full of cans.

He went 10 years undefeated as an undersized HW and has a shit load of top 5 and top 10 wins.

I guess all of MMA is full of cans.

Go away troll.
 
(1) Compete in the best organization of the sport
(2) Consecutive winning streak
(3) Quality of opponent (opponent's record at the time of the fight)
(4) Finishing ratio.

All facts, only one subjective criteria "compete in the best organization of the sport," but still a pretty strong criteria. We can't have bums winning 100 fights in some no name league in China being GOATs. LOL

well back then the pride fc HW divison was the spanish league of football and the ufc some random shit league in south africa

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You do realize fedor fought in pride where steroids were encouraged right?
 
(1) Compete in the best organization of the sport
(2) Consecutive winning streak
(3) Quality of opponent (opponent's record at the time of the fight)
(4) Finishing ratio.

All facts, only one subjective criteria "compete in the best organization of the sport," but still a pretty strong criteria. We can't have bums winning 100 fights in some no name league in China being GOATs. LOL

1)PRIDE had best HW division. UFC had best WW division. Fedor and GSP win
2)fedor went 10 years and I believe 33 fight winning streak. Fedor wins this easily
3)fedor fought just as many top fighters as GSP and Anderson. He also took some extra fights in between to make money. Hendo, Nog, GSP and Fedor probably have the beat resumes of all time
4) fedor probably finished more fighters than GSP. DJ also finishes a lot of fighters. Fedor definitely had more ways to win than anyone. Standing KO, GNP, sub from top, sub from bottom, decision from outgrappling, decision from outstriking.

Overall: Fedor
 
well back then the pride fc HW divison was the spasnish league of football and the ufc some random shit league in south africa

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Regardless, the UFC is the best organization today, so the GOAT can only be a fighter who fought in the UFC.

Also, you can't compare a fighter who spent his best years in a ring to one who only fought in a cage. Those are two different playing fields, and they have a major impact on how a fight is lost or won.

The best comparison tool is one with the least confounding factors as possible.

How can you compare Fedor to GSP, when Fedor was only good inside a ring, and GSP spent his entire career inside a cage? You can't ignore the difference in the playing fields.
 
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