TJ Dillashaw throws Conor under the Bus ('Afraid to Fight')

[CPH]

I'm not a big supporter of Dillashaw going after MM before he has even consolidated his latest championship win. Still, he is right to talk shit about Conor, who is sitting on a belt he does not even deserve to have. Talk about a fraud.

 

[jeremyemilio]

That is a different argument. Aldo was using IV bags to recover pre-USADA. If he is a true 145, why did he need all those IV bags, and why has his ability to fight for more than 3 rounds deteriorated? (the same thing is happening with Chris Weidman, Johny Hemdricks and many more)

Conor fought at 145, became champion. Moved up to 155, became champion. Moved to the UFC, became champion at 145. Then he moved up to 170, and he is 1-1. Then he came down to 155, and became champion. Went to a different sport, and did OK (depending on how one feels).

Based on this evidence, we can reasonably say that if it was possible for Conor to maintain his athletic ability while moving up to 185 or 205 or 265, on any given fight night, he could beat who ever is the champion in those divisions and become champion.

Conor is a true P4P fighter. I am not the biggest Conor fan. But, I go with logic and evidence, the evidence shows that the guy can fight at reasonably higher weight classes.

TJ going down to 125, is weak evidence for his claim to P4P. If he moved up a weight class, like Conor has done, then he would have a more legitimate claim.

P4P is for fighters who move up, and not down.

You're making absurd jumps in logic based on a mere timeline difference. Assuming TJ can make 125, and win, he's accomplished the exact same thing as Conor:

Both won a belt at the absolute lowest weight possible.
Both won a belt at the next weight up.

You're really going to try to claim that if TJ had fought MM first and then moved up that somehow makes it a different sort of accomplishment?

If that's the case, then what are we to make of MM? He LOST at 135 before moving down.

And again, Nate is a LW. Let's not keep trying to make that a thing, as if TJ fighting Neck Tats at 145 instead of 135 would have somehow made that same win over that same guy any more impressive (let alone fighting some mid top 10 ranked bantamweight at 145).

 

[Franc Mittelo]

TJ is already at an optimum weight class where he fights guys his size and doesn't need to drop insane amounts of weight.You can even say he is small for bantamweight. If TJ moved up, he would be at an incredible size disadvantage. He wouldn't still be bigger like Conor.

That is p4p. You have to move up, and show that "if it wasn't for size, you would still be the best at any weight."

Moving down only means you can beat smaller guys. We expect you to be able to beat smaller guys, so what are you really showing us?

 

[Left Hook Larry]

Not scared to defend but is scared to call out the 145 champ so he calls out the smaller fighter in DJ. I like TJ and all, but it looks bad to say a guy smaller than you is ducking. He cements his legacy more by moving up and fighting Holloway, but I'm pretty sure he gets tooled in that fight

 

[Franc Mittelo]

You're making absurd jumps in logic based on a mere timeline difference. Assuming TJ can make 125, and win, he's accomplished the exact same thing as Conor:

Both won a belt at the absolute lowest weight possible.
Both won a belt at the next weight up.

You're really going to try to claim that if TJ had fought MM first and then moved up that somehow makes it a different sort of accomplishment?

If that's the case, then what are we to make of MM? He LOST at 135 before moving down.

And again, Nate is a LW. Let's not keep trying to make that a thing, as if TJ fighting Neck Tats at 145 instead of 135 would have somehow made that same win over that same guy any more impressive (let alone fighting some mid top 10 ranked bantamweight at 155).

I disagree. P4P fighters move up and show they can beat naturally bigger guys. Conor showed that he can beat a bigger. TJ wants to prove that he beat a smaller guy.

They are going in completely opposite directions, so how exactly is it the same thing?

 

[mirellale]

That is p4p. You have to move up, and show that "if it wasn't for size, you would still be the best at any weight."

Moving down only means you can beat smaller guys. We expect you to be able to beat smaller guys, so what are you really showing us?

Fuck it then.Why wouldn't TJ move up to heavyweight?

 

[King Joffery]

Dillashaw has always being salty about Conor, ever since Conor saw him for a snake in the grass he was.

 

[B ville Famous]

So, you want to beat on a smaller guy to claim a legacy. LOL

At least Conor McGregor moved up to 170 and fought, lost and won. That is a much better way of building a legacy.

If you want to build a legacy, call out Max Holloway. p4p is for people who move up weight, not down.

Hey stupid, Conor did the same thing. He was originally a 155 lb fighter who dropped down to 145 then back up. Dillashaw is just doing it the other way around.

Also Conor fought Nate Diaz, a 155 pounder, at 170 lb. Thats like TJ fighting Cody at 145. If Conor's dick wasn't infront of your face maybe you'll be able to see that

 

[executionermma]

If TJ beats DJ he is the P4P #1 and his legacy is already bigger than Conor's. No doubt about it.

 

[jeremyemilio]

I disagree. P4P fighters move up and show they can beat naturally bigger guys. Conor showed that he can beat a bigger. TJ wants to prove that he beat a smaller guy.

They are going in completely opposite directions, so how exactly is it the same thing?

It's the same thing because they both have an absolute minimum weight class they can make. For TJ that weight class is 125. For Conor that weight class is 145.

If fighting the next weight class up from your absolute minimum weight class qualifies as showing that you "can beat naturally bigger guys," then that's what TJ has been doing all along, while Conor has spent most of his time in the UFC hiding out at his lowest possible weight class.

To convince me otherwise one of two things will need to happen:

1. TJ will need to miss weight at 135, which would prove he's already at his lowest possible weight and should be trying to move up if he wants another belt. This could very well happen.

2. You'll need to convince me, with a straight face, that Conor could make 135, which would prove he's never fought at his lowest minimum weight, and so his move to 155 actually does demonstrate he can beat "naturally bigger guys." This is pretty unlikely to happen.

 

[MattyPeq]

lmao at 13 fight streak. He still can't deal with the fact that Assunção beat him.

That's so sad.

 

[Shaddows]

So, you want to beat on a smaller guy to claim a legacy. LOL

At least Conor McGregor moved up to 170 and fought, lost and won. That is a much better way of building a legacy.

If you want to build a legacy, call out Max Holloway. p4p is for people who move up weight, not down.

well, Conor did move down for the belt. It is worth noting this is so true, that the reason for not defending FW is that he can't make weight.
Now he is back at LW where he belongs... and still refuses to defend...

so sorry, but Conor is not any better than TJ.

 

[TrueFightFan]

I think TJ beats DJ and probably is the pound for pound best fighter in MMA at the moment.

Let's see... Dillashaw got knocked out by Dodson, quickly, whom Johnson dispatched twice. Wins the title, only manages to defend the title twice (once to a guy he already beat for the title) then proceeds to lose to Cruz, fights Garbrandt and gets saved by the bell in the first but gets a KO in the second after they were both winging punches and it could have gone either way... then GOES DOWN in weight to fight the smaller champ for Johnson's belt, as opposed to asking the smaller champ to come up in weight and put his own belt on the line, and IF HE WINS this fight, that would make him the pound for pound best for you? What is this, a post by Dillashaw's mom and dad? "Oh, sweetie, you are always the pound for pound champ in our hearts!"

 

[FlowchartRog]

Exactly. You have to go up to be p4p. Why? Because you can only get so much bigger. The chances of a guy fighting at 135 to gain athletically viable weight and fight at 265 are very low.

But if that guy moves up to 145 and is very successful, then moves up to 155 and is very successful. Then we can make a logical hypothesis stating that "if this fighter could gain athletic weight up to 265, then he would be very successful." That is p4p.

You have to show that you can fight at a higher reasonable weight classes to be P4P. Just because you can go down and beat a smaller guy doesn't mean you can move up and beat a bigger guy. But if you can move up and beat a bigger guy, then we can reasonably guess that you will be able to beat a smaller guy.

This is my understanding of P4P and I am sticking with it. In Boxing you have to move up weight-classes to be in the P4P discussion. Since boxing started the concept, I am going with their understanding of it.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

You do not have to go up in weight to be considered P4P in boxing. Lomachenko and Golovkin are considered two of the best fighters in the world, P4P, and both fight in their natural divisions.

Golovkin has been a middleweight for his entire career, since the amateur days. And just like Hagler, Tyson, Monzon, and many other fighters who pretty much stayed in the same division for their entire careers - Gennady is considered one of the best fighters in the world, P4P. It has absolutely fuck all to do with moving up in weight.

It's simply a theoretical, if these fighters were naturally the same size, who would win.

 

[laleggenda27]

"Not scared to defend like Conor"

*seeks fight with champ in lower weight class over defending his newly won title

I guess we're pretending TJ has never defended a belt. In reality, TJ has never shown a reluctance to defend a title. The guy successfully defended his title twice and lost to Cruz on his third attempt. He even defended his title on 1 day's notice; not too many champions would take that risk.

I think most people would agree that taking a fight against the p4p #1 is a worthy endeavor, especially since there's no clear cut no. 1 contender at BW. Meanwhile, Conor only takes fights where he's not the one risking something.

 

[fightfan84]

So, you want to beat on a smaller guy to claim a legacy. LOL

At least Conor McGregor moved up to 170 and fought, lost and won. That is a much better way of building a legacy.

If you want to build a legacy, call out Max Holloway. p4p is for people who move up weight, not down.

Fought at 170 against another 155lbs fighter tho. Tj can make the weight at 125 to this day. He choose the higher weight class to begin with tho unlike conor. So he conquered the heavier weight class. Fought multiple times against multiple top opponents something conor has yet to do in his natural weight class. Tj going down to 125 is the same as conor fighting at 145. No difference except tj is doing it to fight who many consider the goat. Deal with it

 

[Paynebringer]

Dislike TJ but have to agree with him here. Conor is sitting back wasting other fighters primes as he desperately tries to bridge the skill gap. It's either that or he afraid. Remember when he said that a champ should be stripped if he doesn't fight but isn't injured lol

All this ^^^ Truth and something I've said many times before Conor's ability to self promote is far exceeds his actual in cage skillz. Conor is a good fighter but he's not great. Conor to me comes across as one of those guys who loves training on the stuff that he's already good at and neglects the areas that need attention cardio, wrestling, jiu jitsu.

Case and point, losing to Diaz paying a kings ransom on a camp to learn how to breathe in a fight and throw a effective chop kick (Nate Diaz kryptonite) only to have to run and take in fight pit stops and throw God awful excuted chop kicks that require you yourself to use crutches after. This long lay-off will only further add to his anxiety about his return and all eyez on you for your 1st ever title defense the mma world will be glued "Under Pressure"...

 

[sapporo ichiban]

I don't think that Conor is afraid to fight, I think that Conor is afraid to lose and right now he looks a little out gunned or at least in a very risky spot.
In that respect, I agree with what TJ said. TJ is a little snake though and I don't think there is much for bragging rights in going down to face a smaller guy.

I have a feeling that at 125, Mouse beats TJ and Cody for that matter. I know people will say I am nuts but I have a feeling that 125 is a very good place for mouse and maybe not so much for the other guys. Skill sets considered and the weight class, I like Mouse for both those fights.

Maybe going to 125 for the shot won't be as easy as snake thinks. I would like to see the fight though.

 

[Prince Nephilim]

I just brought WWE 2K18 on PS4 and its great, I created a tag team of Jake the snake Roberts and Tj Dillasnake, the name of my tag team is called "Pure Venom". I can't wait to use them, I will defeat everyone online in my tag team matches, I already used them on single player in a tag match and we beat Earthquake and Typhoon

Hell yeah I'm back into wrestling because I can create my fantasy tag team.

 

[Shaddows]

lmao at 13 fight streak. He still can't deal with the fact that Assunção beat him.

That's so sad.

And Dodson, don't forget (he would not have had a 13 fight win-streak if he counted his loss to Dodson).