International US/Israel v. Iran

Will we go to war with Iran this year?


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Finally someone with the wisdom to prescribe leaving well enough alone. Further using Iran protests as a springboard for increased American-led aggression will only cause Iranians to rally around their flag and government, likely justifying another crackdown. Great Article. Suggest reading the whole thing.

http://theweek.com/articles/746871/american-meddling-iran-only-make-things-worse

American meddling in Iran would only make things worse

Iran has been rocked by protests — now is it to be rocked by American bombs?

Anti-Iran warmongers — especially the neoconservatives at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies — have seized on the recent spree of protests in the Islamic Republic to demand that the U.S. "support" the protesters, getting op-eds published in the The New York Times, Politico, The Wall Street Journal, and elsewhere.

They need to put a sock in it. American meddling can only make things worse.

So what are the protests about? The main cause, it seems, is economic problems. With high youth unemployment and economic stagnation, Iranians were inflamed when a draft budget was leaked that slashed subsidies to the poor. Protests have been much more widespread geographically than the ones over the 2009 election, but have not as yet involved the middle class so much, nor as many large groups.

But America needs to mind its own business. For one thing, it's long since time that Americans of any political stripe ditch the traditional hysterical chauvinism that often characterizes our statements about the rest of the world. One unstated premise behind Iran hawks' lectures about spreading freedom and such is that the United States is some unique bastion of democratic liberties.

It isn't. The United States is not a "city on a hill," it's not the greatest country on the planet, and it's not the only place where people can rise from humble origins. America is merely a very large and rich country with a hypertrophied military and a severe case of plutocratic inequality.

America's formal democratic institutions are the oldest still existing in the world, have been clearly outdated for well over a century, and have been overtly corrupted in many states for almost its entire history. Even setting aside slavery and 90 years of Jim Crow, just a couple months ago there was an election for the Virginia House of Delegates where Democrats won a 10-point landslide in terms of votes. But due to Republican messing with district boundaries, Democrats only won 49 out of 100 seats, and tied one more. That final tie — created when a judge decreed an arguably spoiled ballot be counted — was decided not by a runoff election, but by drawing lots (which the Republican won).

If we consider democracy as a sliding scale with Mobutu-style fake elections on one end, and, say, Norway on the other, America is somewhere in the middle. To provide support for the norm of democracy, the first and easiest step would be to bring American institutions up to the European standard of 1950 or better.
 
I like how we all seem to agree here to some extent.

@HomerThompson

Any interest in trying to turn this into a petition thread next?

I believe their are web pages that allow you to type in your zip code, and locate your house and Senate representative and contact info.

I don't think it would take much effort, and I would be willing to help in any way needed.
Yes, but what I'll do is bring this thread back at the appropriate time, and make it a petition thread. Or, possibly make a new one. But, I'll wait until this unfolds more, so that people tell their Senators/Congressman at the appropriate time of maximum impact.
 
Actually the election was in 2000.
Bush won and took office in 2001.
Something happened in September of 2001. Any idea what that was?
US invades Afghanistan in 2001.
US invades Iraq in 2003.

i know that. but the Afghan war made sense at least and had wide support from people. I am just wondering why he wait till 2003 of March to do war when you had congress elections in 2002 in fall. Do you think that was intentional?
 
i know that. but the Afghan war made sense at least and had wide support from people. I am just wondering why he wait till 2003 of March to do war when you had congress elections in 2002 in fall. Do you think that was intentional?

Actually, the Afghanistan war didn't make sense.
The Taliban didn't attack the US on 9/11, or ever for that matter.
15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.
The others were from Egypt, Lebanon, and UAE.
They were financed by the Saudis, too.

The American people were snowed into thinking that attack was legit because AQ had a base there and they were friends with the Taliban (because they worked together to defeat the Soviet Union with CIA funding and training).

The Iraq War took longer because it was a more complicate operation than invading a third world failed state and the administration had to sell the nation and rest of the world on a bunch of lies to go to war. They needed to catapult the propaganda. Thats hard work.

Edit: I don't think it had anything to do with the '02 election.
I do think it had to do with PNAC
 
Actually, the Afghanistan war didn't make sense.
The Taliban didn't attack the US on 9/11, or ever for that matter.
15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.
The others were from Egypt, Lebanon, and UAE.
They were financed by the Saudis, too.

The American people were snowed into thinking that attack was legit because AQ had a base there and they were friends with the Taliban (because they worked together to defeat the Soviet Union with CIA funding and training).

The Iraq War took longer because it was a more complicate operation than invading a third world failed state and the administration had to sell the nation and rest of the world on a bunch of lies to go to war. They needed to catapult the propaganda. Thats hard work.

Bush was a funny guy. Now you guys got even more funny guy Trump. I see Trump highlights on youtube. funny.

I know I actually do think US invasion into afghanistan was war mongering and less valid than Soviet invasion into Afghanistan (which was about stopping jihadi terror on their borders and by helping to save the socialistic afghan government from terrorists that the US trained!!!!). But for whatever reason US got crazy support all your allies and EU for Invasion Afghanistan but not for Iraq. Only UK and few other small countries helped you in Iraq.

I am saying in my opinion since I think if US will attack Iran it would make sense to do it after election.
 
Bush was a funny guy. Now you guys got even more funny guy Trump. I see Trump highlights on youtube. funny.

I know I actually do think US invasion into afghanistan was war mongering and less valid than Soviet invasion into Afghanistan (which was about stopping jihadi terror on their borders and by helping to save the socialistic afghan government from terrorists that the US trained!!!!). But for whatever reason US got crazy support all your allies and EU for Invasion Afghanistan but not for Iraq. Only UK and few other small countries helped you in Iraq.

I am saying in my opinion since I think if US will attack Iran it would make sense to do it after election.

I don't think the Soviet-Afghan War started because Russia wanted to put down jihadis. I think jihadis were in response to Russia's coup and oppressive rule. edit: it was also a cold war proxy that the Carter and Reagan administration baited the Soviets into. I could be wrong on some of that.

And the point of my original reply to you was to show you that the Iraq War required 9/11.
I don't see another 9/11 happening and I don't see people buying into the necessary propaganda, especially the kind this administration would present, to get us into a war with Iran.
 
Yes, but what I'll do is bring this thread back at the appropriate time, and make it a petition thread. Or, possibly make a new one. But, I'll wait until this unfolds more, so that people tell their Senators/Congressman at the appropriate time of maximum impact.

Yeah, I was thinking about this, and if Sessions does something with weed, that would be the perfect first petition drive. Not sure if this is the topic to do it on. Probably wouldn't get much traction.
 
This is another witch hunt founded on disinformation and propaganda. Israel is garnering millions from us annually, meanwhile contributing nothing to our cause, and to make matters worse they're highly influential when it comes to any/all of our foreign escapades.

Iran is no different than Iraq, Libya, or Syria.

They want sovereignty, and why is that a bad thing?
 
im not posting anymore, go burn my account or whatever. i come here to chat with friends.
 
This thread is 10 pages after 11 days. I've never heard anything resembling the US going to war with Iran. I'm just surprised this thread is stickied still.

Anyway, whatever. I just don't think this is a thing. The poll at 94something % agrees.
 
This thread is 10 pages after 11 days. I've never heard anything resembling the US going to war with Iran. I'm just surprised this thread is stickied still.

Anyway, whatever. I just don't think this is a thing. The poll at 94something % agrees.

It's a sticky because it's by the POTWR.

Also, it's a bona fide topic. I voted "no," but it's a definite possibility, and we are certainly stoking tensions. People need to be paying attention to this.
 
It's a sticky because it's by the POTWR.

Also, it's a bona fide topic. I voted "no," but it's a definite possibility, and we are certainly stoking tensions. People need to be paying attention to this.

There are what, 5 threads stickied? That's why I'm questioning the validity. And it's only at 10 pages. I don't care that much, but don't you think a NK nuclear war thread would be at about a hundred pages by now, let alone far more people have vested interest in that?

This is somewhat of an interesting conversation, just don't think it's sticky worthy.
 
There are what, 5 threads stickied? That's why I'm questioning the validity. And it's only at 10 pages. I don't care that much, but don't you think a NK nuclear war thread would be at about a hundred pages by now, let alone far more people have vested interest in that?

This is somewhat of an interesting conversation, just don't think it's sticky worthy.

Like I said, it's stickied because the POTWR gets a sticky.

I agree that NK would be a larger thread, but that's because everyone is paying attention to it. No one is paying attention to us sticking our dicks into the wasp nest with Iran.

Also, the "tension" with North Korea is 100% the result of Donald Trump's ego. If it weren't for Trump being a giant bitch of a manchild, relations would be as stable as they have ever been. Meanwhile, the tension with Iran has nothing to do with Donald Trump: it has to do with 4 generations of warhawking cunt bags whispering in his ear and trying to connive their way into violating Iran's sovereignty.
 
Like I said, it's stickied because the POTWR gets a sticky.

I agree that NK would be a larger thread, but that's because everyone is paying attention to it. No one is paying attention to us sticking our dicks into the wasp nest with Iran.

Also, the "tension" with North Korea is 100% the result of Donald Trump's ego. If it weren't for Trump being a giant bitch of a manchild, relations would be as stable as they have ever been. Meanwhile, the tension with Iran has nothing to do with Donald Trump: it has to do with 4 generations of warhawking cunt bags whispering in his ear and trying to connive their way into violating Iran's sovereignty.

Jump the shark much?
 
Jump the shark much?

If you had any concept of US foreign relations history, you wouldn't consider it jumping the shark. We've been imposing needless and punitive sanctions on Iran and looking for an excuse to invade them for decades.

 
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