Law Affirmative Action Abolished: U.S Supreme Court Outlaws Racial Discrimination In College Admissions.

How Affirmative Action Hurts Asian-Americans in College Admissions
Helaina Hirsch / Mike Gonzalez | December 07, 2017

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Michael Wang stared at the letter in dismay.

It marked the sixth Ivy League university he had been rejected by, out of the seven he had applied to. In addition to his perfect ACT score and grade-point average, he was ranked third nationally in piano, sang at President Barack Obama’s inauguration, and had received accolades in many debate competitions.

When Wang realized that people with lesser qualifications than his were getting accepted by the Ivies, he suspected that something else was afoot: It wasn’t his qualifications keeping him from his dream, it was his Asian last name.

That explains why in May 2015, he, along with 64 Asian groups, filed a complaint with the federal Department of Education against Harvard University, which is now under investigation for its affirmative action policy.

Article VI of the Civil Rights Act prohibits educational institutions that receive federal aid from discriminating based on race. Owing to allegations of discrimination advanced by Asian-Americans, the Justice Department has asked Harvard to produce documents that will help shed light on its admissions process.

Racial preferences in university admissions first arose in the late 1960s, when its supporters said they were needed to remedy a history of discrimination against African-Americans. In 1978, in California Board of Regents v. Bakke, the Supreme Court used twisted reasoning, rejecting racial quotas as unconstitutional, while affirming the permissibility of considering race in admissions.

Since then, the high court has edged closer and closer to banning racial preferences as distasteful and un-American, but hasn’t brought itself to completely eradicate them.

But now we are seeing how racial preferences also can hurt a minority group; namely, Asian-Americans. That’s why a number of Asian-American special-interest groups filed suit in federal court in May 2015, complaining that Harvard and other selective institutions of higher education employ veiled racial quotas in their admissions procedures.

These groups point to the fact that, on average, it is much more difficult for Asian-Americans to gain admission to elite schools than it is for their Hispanic, black, or white counterparts.

Asian-Americans must score 140 points higher on their SATs than white students, 270 points higher than Hispanic students, and 450 points higher than black students.

One study measured the considerable difference in SAT and ACT scores within highly selective universities and examined what factors allow certain low-scoring applicants to get into those colleges.

Findings revealed that it is equally likely that a black student who scored 27 on the ACT and a white student who scored 30.8 would get accepted. By contrast, they found that an Asian scoring 27 on the ACT would have as much chance of acceptance as white student who scored 23.6.

Since the ACT is measured on a 36-point scale, the difference in points is considerable. For example, a score of 27 places a student in the 86th percentile nationally, while a score of 23 bumps a student down to the 69th percentile. Especially in a competitive admissions process, such a difference can greatly affect a student’s chance of acceptance.

Among all racial groups, Asian-Americans are most “underrepresented relative to their application numbers,” according to the Asian American Coalition for Education. Although in 2008, Asians comprised more than half of “highly qualified” applicants to Harvard, only 17 percent received acceptance letters. Despite their rise in population, the percentage of Asians at Ivy League institutions has stagnated at about 18 percent.

Absent racial preferences, the Hispanic acceptance rate at elite institutions would drop to half its current rate, while black acceptance would plummet by two-thirds. By contrast, the number of Asian acceptances would rise from 17.6 percent to 24.3 percent.

Given these statistics, Asian interest groups fear that race amounts to more than just “one factor among many” in admissions processes. The Supreme Court has explicitly prohibited the practice of considering a student’s race to be a “defining feature of his or her application.” Instead, the court found that race must remain merely one consideration in a “holistic” evaluation of the individual applicant.

The Justice Department intends to discover whether the admissions difficulties Asian-Americans face result from a policy at Harvard that is “indistinguishable from racial quotas.” To do so, Justice has asked for access to documents that reveal the details of Harvard’s admissions procedures.

Harvard has been wary of producing records that contain information about students’ test scores and demographics.

However, under the threat of being sued by the Justice Department, Harvard proposed a plan to reveal the admissions information that the department requested. The school will require the Justice Department to limit viewing of the documents to Harvard lawyers’ offices.

The Justice Department indicated that Harvard’s proposal is promising, but it is still reviewing whether the university’s proposal complies with Article VI access requirements.

If proven that Harvard and other elite schools use policies that disproportionately consider race, these institutions should not continue to receive federal funds.

We will never eliminate discrimination by enacting policies that limit the opportunities of one race in favor of another.

As Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts once put it, “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”

http://dailysignal.com/2017/12/07/h...ge-admissions-scales-against-asian-americans/
 
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The next battle over affirmative action is about discrimination against Asian Americans
By Alexei Koseff | January 23, 2018

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A tour group walks through the campus of Harvard University in 2012. The U.S. Justice Department is currently investigating how race factors into the college’s admissions policy.


Nearly four years ago, the Asian American community rallied to defeat a proposal reversing California’s ban on the consideration of race in public university admissions.

The surge of activism from opponents, many of them fearful the measure would hurt their children’s chances of getting into the state’s most competitive schools, has helped push to the highest levels of national discourse a question rarely asked in previous decades of debate, and Supreme Court cases, over affirmative action:

Do race-conscious college admission policies disadvantage, or even discriminate against, Asian American students?

Advocates have found an ally in the Trump administration, which last year opened an inquiry into Harvard University based on their complaints that its practices violate federal civil rights law. A parallel lawsuit, backed by conservative legal strategist Edward Blum, targets Harvard and the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.

The case against Harvard, and affirmative action more broadly, boils down to whether admissions officers are rejecting Asian American applicants, who have higher test scores on average, in favor of less qualified blacks and Latinos to achieve a desired level of racial diversity. It marks the latest front in a long-standing battle between supporters of affirmative action, who believe it is a necessary tool for promoting diversity in higher education, and critics who argue it is simply unfair.

“The whole country should no longer use student’s identities, a fact that they cannot control, to determine their futures,” said Yukong Zhao, president of the Asian American Coalition for Education, who organized the complaint against Harvard that prompted the Justice Department investigation.

The debate is particularly contentious in California, where Asian Americans are overrepresented at state universities. Voters in 1996 passed Proposition 209, prohibiting the University of California and California State University from considering an applicant’s race.

Critics of Harvard and other elite schools often compare their student bodies with UC Berkeley and UCLA, where a third or more of undergraduates are Asian American, to make the case that affirmative action policies amount to an illegal quota system.

But the state’s diverse Asian population – at more than 5 million, the largest in the country – also includes ethnic subgroups with unique struggles and low levels of college attainment. While 70 percent of Indians and 52 percent of Chinese in California who are at least 25 years old have a degree, only 16 percent of Cambodians, 13 percent of Hmong and 10 percent of Laotians do.

A Los Angeles-based civil rights group, Asian Americans Advancing Justice, has filed an argument in the Blum lawsuit defending Harvard’s admissions policy, arguing that the consideration of race benefits many Asian Americans as well. Lawyer Nicole Gon Ochi said she’s frustrated that the complaints don’t differentiate between affirmative action and possible anti-Asian biases in college admissions.

“We see this as just an easy way to use Asian Americans as a wedge,” Ochi said.

Zhao, an Orlando-based businessman who immigrated from China more than two decades ago, began his advocacy in 2014 after Democratic lawmakers in California introduced a state constitutional amendment to bring back race-conscious college admissions. Though it was ultimately shelved, Zhao was outraged by what he characterizes as a push for “racial balancing,” which he said is “totally against the American dream.” The solution for inequities in college admissions, he said, is improving poor K-12 schools and promoting a “pro-education culture” in minority communities.

That summer, Zhao began organizing more than 60 groups in a complaint against Harvard, alleging that the university suppresses the number of Asian American students it enrolls. The complaint was filed in May 2015, about six months after the Blum lawsuit made similar charges.

While Asian Americans make up about 6 percent of the U.S. population, they comprised 22 percent of students admitted to Harvard last year. That’s up from approximately 18 percent in 2006 and 16 percent in 1996 – though the Asian American population nearly doubled during that time. By contrast, Zhao notes, undergraduate enrollment at the California Institute of Technology, the private science- and engineering-oriented university in Pasadena that does not consider race in admissions, is 43 percent Asian American.

Harvard has stood by its “holistic” admissions, which like many universities, takes into account an applicant’s background and personal characteristics as well as their grades and test scores.

Zhao argues that Asian Americans are being used as scapegoats in an effort to correct historical wrongs they had nothing to do with. A 2016 survey conducted by Inside Higher Ed that found 39 percent of admissions directors at public universities and 42 percent at private universities believe some colleges are holding Asian American applicants to higher standards.

Advocates also point to a 2009 study by a Princeton University professor that concluded an Asian American applicant would need to score 140 points higher than a white applicant on the 1600-point SAT, 270 points higher than a Latino applicant and 450 points higher than a black applicant to have the same odds of being admitted to 10 elite colleges that he examined. (The professor has cautioned against using the study as a “smoking gun” for discrimination because it does not account for intangible factors like teacher recommendations.)

Ward Connerly, who pushed for UC to eliminate the consideration of race as a member of its governing board and became a leading proponent of Proposition 209, said the trends at Berkeley and UCLA demonstrate that Asian Americans take admissions standards more seriously and prepare themselves better for the competition of applying to college.

An African American born in Louisiana during the Jim Crow era, Connerly generated controversy with his strong stance against affirmative action. But he said he would support Proposition 209 again “in a heartbeat.”

“Is there blatant discrimination of the admissions people against blacks and Latinos? No,” he said. “The reality is that Asian kids were gumming up the works, if you will, and outperforming their numbers of what UC thought was the desirable mix for diversity purposes.”

But Ochi, the lawyer defending affirmative action, said opponents overlook the reasons why these “holistic” policies are necessary: While black and Latino students, who are increasingly segregated in the poorest schools, have lower standardized test scores on average, those exams provide only a limited indication of how an applicant will perform in college. And when so many students applying to elite universities have good scores, admissions officers need to look at other factors to make up their minds.

Even if you removed all black and Latino students from the applicant pool, Ochi notes, it would barely change the outcome for other applicants. A 2016 study by professors at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill determined that the odds of admission would only increase by 1 percent at Harvard and 5 percent at their own campus without any black and Latino applicants, because there are substantially fewer of them.

“It’s just really hard to get into these schools,” Ochi said.

The real barrier for Asian Americans, she argues, is “white selection advantage.” White students make up the vast majority of applicants to elite colleges; disproportionately receive special consideration for family legacy, major donations and athletics; and are admitted at the highest rates. That issue could be addressed without completely eliminating affirmative action, which Ochi said might hurt students like Thang Diep.

Diep, a junior at Harvard, moved to the United States from Vietnam when he was 8 and grew up in a working class family in the San Fernando Valley. He struggled learning English, and recalls the schoolyard teasing he faced because of his thick accent.

He said he hesitated to apply to Harvard because he didn’t think he would fit in and his SAT scores were lower than the average for admitted students. On a whim, he wrote his application a few days before it was due; he was shocked to be accepted.

Diep has thought a lot about what made him stand out to admissions officers. In addition to his extensive high school volunteering at a hospital and a skid row soup kitchen, he believes it benefited him that Harvard could consider his background and minority identities – Vietnamese, immigrant, gay – which he reflected on extensively in his application. Making diversity a goal, he said, “can help Asians who are not as privileged.”

Now he has joined Asian Americans Advancing Justice’s argument in the Blum lawsuit, supporting Harvard’s admissions policy. Diep said he wants to show “solidarity” with other communities of color that believe affirmative action has done good, and tell Asian Americans that it’s “OK to have an opinion and it’s OK to be radical and talk about these things.”

“You don’t have to be the model minority to fit in,” he said. “We’re not all the same.”

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article196035824.html
 
I hope to hell these Asian students that have been discriminated against sue the hell out of the government and institutions that are at the root of this discrimination.
 
Meh. People of privilege getting miffed about how much privilege they have access to.
 
Meh. People of privilege getting miffed about how much privilege they have access to.

Exactly which of the hard-working Asian-American students mentioned in this thread are you identifying as "people of privilege"? And what "privileges" are you referring to?
 
Exactly which of the hard-working Asian-American students mentioned in this thread are you identifying as "people of privilege"? And what "privileges" are you referring to?

Pretty much all of them.

What kind of privilege? The kind that places you on a pedestal. How many of those kids do you think had to have a part time job? Most of their parents would die before they let that kind of shit happen. That's privilege.
 
I am all for economic based affirmative, especially to those who are the poorest. I am for economic mobility.

While I think there is still racial discrimination in the US, having a policy that considers race in college admissions is going to cause resentment. The treatment of race based affirmative action for past transgressions is not a cure. It will also make people question why a Black student got into schools and provide a narrative for those who want to promote a victimhood narrative.
 
Pretty much all of them.

What kind of privilege? The kind that places you on a pedestal. How many of those kids do you think had to have a part time job? Most of their parents would die before they let that kind of shit happen. That's privilege.

I don't know which alternate reality you're from, but ALL the Asian-Americans I knew from school had jobs, and NONE of of them had their college tuition or any other expenses paid for by their parents.

What, do you think they're trust fund babies or something? o_O
 
I don't know which alternate reality you're from, but ALL the Asian-Americans I knew from school had jobs, and NONE of of them had their college tuition or any other expenses paid for by their parents.

What, do you think they're trust fund babies or something? o_O

Oh really? Know a lot of Asian kids who went to elite tier schools, did you?
 
Stellar grades and test scores are the two most important admission factors.

Those should be gating factors. You shouldn't be considered without crossing certain (high) thresholds. But to blindly favor someone who scored 95% as opposed to some who scored 90% (as an example)...that would be folly, in my opinion.

Intelligence in this scenario is like height in the NBA. You need a certain amount to be worth talking about. If you are 5'2"...that's an easy choice...not happening. But just having a lot of height does NOT make you good.

There are LOTS of people who can kick the dogshit out of standardized tests...but lack drive, creativity, people skills and things that tend to really make one stand out in the real world. I say this as a fairly antisocial programmer: simply being Mr. Smarty-Pants will not get you very far...yah, you need that, but it's not enough.
 
That's not to say that discrimination isn't happening, it might be. Although every previous investigation into the subject has found no evidence of discrimination against Asians, that doesn't mean that something hasn't changed since the last time it was investigated. Personally, I find it hard to believe that schools would add Asian discrimination after being investigated and cleared. It's possible but would surprise me.

Previous investigation into the subject of discrimination has found no evidence of discrimination only because the investigation was not objective. There is an incentive to keep the status quo.

And you point to extracurriculars as if the Asian students DON'T have any - that they are only test scores and grades. But that's not true at all.

These students that are suing also have all the extracurriculars. PLUS higher test scores on average .

So logic dictates if you eliminate extracurrciular, test scores and grades, the only other deciding factor is: race.

An Asian student has to have better scores than black people, Latinos AND white people.

If that is not discrimination, then what is?
 
Previous investigation into the subject of discrimination has found no evidence of discrimination only because the investigation was not objective. There is an incentive to keep the status quo.

And you point to extracurriculars as if the Asian students DON'T have any - that they are only test scores and grades. But that's not true at all.

These students that are suing also have all the extracurriculars. PLUS higher test scores on average .

So logic dictates if you eliminate extracurrciular, test scores and grades, the only other deciding factor is: race.

An Asian student has to have better scores than black people, Latinos AND white people.

If that is not discrimination, then what is?

Asians vote majority democrat.

This is what they voted for.
 
Cornell, Columbia Accused of Discriminating Against Asian American Students in College Admissions
By Rebecca Even
August 30, 2016

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The Asian American Coalition for Education lodged a complaint with Department of Education last Wednesday, accusing Cornell and Columbia University of discriminating against an Asian student in the admissions process.

The complaint, filed within the Office of Civil Rights, claims that Hubert Zhao — the son of AACE president YuKong Zhao — was unjustly denied admission to both schools last year, according to Asian American activism blog Reappropriate.

Zhao is an “outstanding student with excellent academic and extracurricular achievements,” a 5.3 GPA and high PSAT and SAT scores, according to the AACE website. He and an Indian American classmate were the only students in their 700-person class who qualified as National Merit semifinalists.

While other students “from different racial groups in his high school, with objectively and often significantly lower academic and extracurricular credentials, were admitted to some of the top 20 universities,” neither Zhao nor his classmate were accepted to any of these schools, the website said.

AACE Vice President Jack Ouyang said in an online statement that Zhao’s experience is “another example of the widespread and systematic illegal discrimination against Asian American students by many colleges.”

Ouyang also argued that Zhao was rejected from Cornell and Columbia based on his father’s leadership position in the AACE.

Reappropriate disagreed, saying that Zhao’s connection to the AACE would not have been noted during the admissions process, and adding that the percentage of Asian American students in top 20 colleges has actually increased steadily at both schools.

On its website, the AACE states that it is against affirmative action, calling the Supreme Court’s pro-affirmative action ruling in Fisher vs. University of Texas “a dark day for the hard-working children of Asian Americans and other Americans who are discriminated against by the race-based college admissions policies.”

The organization has also lodged complaints against Brown, Dartmouth, Harvard and Yale for similar reasons.

http://cornellsun.com/2016/08/30/co...sian-american-students-in-college-admissions/


Move along, nothing to see here. And how does one acquire a 5.3 gpa? I thought 4.0 was the limit, but i never breached a 3.2, so what do I know?
 
I don't know which alternate reality you're from, but ALL the Asian-Americans I knew from school had jobs, and NONE of of them had their college tuition or any other expenses paid for by their parents.

What, do you think they're trust fund babies or something? o_O

You are being half trolled.
 
Instead, his research suggests that society simply became less racist toward Asians.

So out of the blue, society SIMPLY became less racist towards Asians? It just happened.

Or perhaps Asians gained the respect of the society through their civilized behavior and hard work and respect for education.

You didn't get the memo? We had a big meeting and decided that being racist against both the blacks and Asians was just too much work so the solution we came up was to lay off the Asians so that we could focus all our racism on black folk. Worked out pretty well, sometimes you got to consolidate your racism as it becomes ineffective if spread across too many groups.
 
Giving everybody an equal opportunity is a must. Giving some greater odds and opportunities is a privilege. It is also unfair to the others. Simple as that. Affirmative action confuses the hell out of me, but I know what I hypothetically stand for.
 
Schools are allowed to consider race when making their admissions decisions but they are not allowed to use quotas or make race a deciding factor.

This claim makes zero sense. If you have 2 applicants, and all else is equal, but you are then allowed to consider race, which effectively becomes the "tiebreaker", how is race not the deciding factor?
 
Those should be gating factors. You shouldn't be considered without crossing certain (high) thresholds. But to blindly favor someone who scored 95% as opposed to some who scored 90% (as an example)...that would be folly, in my opinion.

Intelligence in this scenario is like height in the NBA. You need a certain amount to be worth talking about. If you are 5'2"...that's an easy choice...not happening. But just having a lot of height does NOT make you good.

There are LOTS of people who can kick the dogshit out of standardized tests...but lack drive, creativity, people skills and things that tend to really make one stand out in the real world. I say this as a fairly antisocial programmer: simply being Mr. Smarty-Pants will not get you very far...yah, you need that, but it's not enough.
Did you happen to breeze past @Arkain2K previous post?

Seems like you’re concerned about a possible overly rigid reading of admittance criteria where there is no evidence that such exists but apparently plenty of evidence that unlawful AA based discrimination does in fact exist.

Maybe just stick with interpreting the facts at hand
 
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