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What would have changed our mind?
Nothing would change your mind lol
What would have changed our mind?
But nothing has changed. The remaining countries are signing a less impactful deal (13% of the global GDP vs. 40% w/ USA).Nothing would change your mind lol
It's been many years since anyone could make a rational argument for Obama being left of center.
The Right just went with "he's a communist" and "too extreme for America" because they use it every election and their dimwitted base always gobbles it up, so why fix it if it still works.
But, to the main point - yes, he's a corporatist and yes, the more you hear about TPP, the worse it sounds.
But nothing has changed. The remaining countries are signing a less impactful deal (13% of the global GDP vs. 40% w/ USA).
The only other difference I see is they're ripping up the US protectionist aspects of the deal, which is the only reason the US was even involved.
WaPo ran a fluff piece that made it sound like the participants were having a life changing time a a party the US wasn't invited to; completely overstating the importance of the deal.
Free trade already exists. Removing a 1% tariff on bobsled polish while keeping life saving medications from losing their patent does nothing positive for the masses.More trade means more competitiveness which boosts exports to non-signatory countries.
Before NAFTA Mexico was an importer nation mainly, a decade and a half after NAFTA both Argentina and Brazil were putting tariffs on Mexican products because Mexican products were far more competitive than these countries products since these countries remained protectionist while Mexico suffered major re-engineering of its economy due to competition with the US and Canada.
Free trade already exists. Removing a 1% tariff on bobsled polish while keeping life saving medications from losing their patent does nothing positive for the masses.
All in all tpp was not going to anything significant for the us economy other than help the largest corporations with ip protection and it compromised our sovereignty with regards to ISDS.Tariffs are not the only cost when importing and exporting.
Also i agree with the patent thing, thats why im glad the US pulled out of it.
All in all tpp was not going to anything significant for the us economy other than help the largest corporations with ip protection and it compromised our sovereignty with regards to ISDS.
What other costs were you referring to.
How does TPP-11 address these?Logistical costs at customs and regulation standarization.
How does TPP-11 address these?
How does TPP-11 address these?
Nothing would change your mind lol
lol... selling the original post to the working man isn't going to work as they realize more employment and better wages.
What Trump is really doing is forcing foreign countries to renegotiate their bad deals. The tariffs and threats of them are to bring them to the table. When you have a trade deficit of $800 Billion it will hurt them a hell of a lot more than it will hurt you, so they are stupid not to make a deal.
I'd actually be interested to see a simple, bifurcated Support/Oppose poll here. I imagine that the coalitions on both sides would be a remarkable mix.
hio Trotsky,
unless alot of posters have had a recent, come-to-Jesus conversion on the topic, you'll be able to count the supporters of the TPP in the War Room on one hand.
- IGIT
Well, unfortunately, the conversation has kind of been contaminated by partisan politics. Because Trump came out against it, 99% of his supporters were/are now against it by mere virtue of deferring to his stupidity. If not for Trump, if it had been Hillary versus Jeb, the makeup would be much, much different and more similar to support of NAFTA.
On that note, did/do you and @PolishHeadlock support NAFTA in retrospect?
hi Whippy McGee,
i'm going to play along.
tell me what, precisely, you found so objectionable in the TPP. i can tell you what i like about the agreement right now.
can you tell me what you don't like about it without Googling the TPP?
- IGIT