Should D's help R's to fix flawed Tax Bill?

Same with education. What would make you think this would be different? I’m telling you sign up for the service and get back with me on how great the care is. You’re going to get that
I live in a country with universal. Wouldn't want anything else.
 
Yes, they should. Their job is to try to make the United States the best they can and they should do whatever they can to do that. The petty playing teams bullshit is a problem from both sides.
 
I say yes the DEMs should help, but ONLY with some concessions. Why do it if it just helps fuck over the middle-class and the poor. This is a bargaining chip and it should be played. That's a hell of a lot more than the R's would do.

I love how all the right-wingers are all "of course they should help, it's their job". Go fuck yourselves guys. The hypocrisy is sickening.
 
I live in a country with universal. Wouldn't want anything else.
You don’t know anything else

I got hurt, waited a few eeeks to see if it got better, made an appt with a specialist the day after I called and got an mri the day after that. Reviewed with dr the following Monday and started rehab Wednesday. Do you have that?
 
No, they should do nothing to fix it.

Republicans pushed it through under shaky circumstances without any thought for input from the other side of the aisle. They did so in haphazard and furtive manner specifically to exclude Democrats from the process. Doing so has resulted in these issues. These issues are of their own making and they own them. They wanted to do this on their own, so fix it on their own.

The idea that should fix the situation because it's the right thing to do doesn't work because then you are bailing out the Republicans on doing the wrong thing to begin with. Unless there are serious hat in hand concessions made which essentially amount to a rewrite of this thing with bi-partisan input (like should have happened in the first place), they should do nothing.

Now the retort is going to be that Democrats criticized Republicans from sabotaging the ACA. But the difference is the ACA was passed with input from Repiblicans, it was debated ad-nasuem, they had their say on it in the first place. They got concessions and then still tried to torpedo it. None of this occurred with this tax bill.

They wanted to do it without Democrat influence, so fix it on the same terms. Or start over and do it right
 
We don't have D and R any more. We have pro Trump and anti Trump, nothing else.
 
I'd like to say yes, but if they did it would likely just embolden Republicans to push stuff through in an equally slipshod manner in the future. They could have taken the necessary time to make sure this was all properly thought through, but they chose to get it passed without even giving everyone proper time to read it. It's their own fault. It seems like a bad situation, but I don't think playing ball will prevent Republicans from being equally reckless later.

Sounds like a mess.

Agreed 100%. They made their bed by trying to ram this through. I think if this causes heart ache to their base which it looks like from the examples you listed than I think its a good thing. Why should the Democrats come and bail out the children all of the time?
 
I say yes the DEMs should help, but ONLY with some concessions. Why do it if it just helps fuck over the middle-class and the poor. This is a bargaining chip and it should be played. That's a hell of a lot more than the R's would do.

I love how all the right-wingers are all "of course they should help, it's their job". Go fuck yourselves guys. The hypocrisy is sickening.

The other point to mention is that if the tax bill doesn't turn out as rainbows and butterflies as the R think it will I can just see them laying equal blame on the D's for helping to correct some of the errors as if they had a part in crafting it.
 
The other point to mention is that if the tax bill doesn't turn out as rainbows and butterflies as the R think it will I can just see them laying equal blame on the D's for helping to correct some of the errors as if they had a part in crafting it.

They are not to be trusted, for sure. And like you said, if the DEMs help they will have shit on their hands also. It's close to a lose/lose for the DEMs on this. My statement would be "you broke it, you fix it" unless some serious concessions were made, which you know won't happen.

Honestly, I would not even come to the table if I were DEMs. There doesn't look like they would gain anything but it absolutely could hurt them as far as optics go.
 
Need more details. I haven't been following this story.

In theory, yes, anything that improves the country should get support, though there's also nothing wrong with using leverage to get further improvement.
 
Need more details. I haven't been following this story.

In theory, yes, anything that improves the country should get support, though there's also nothing wrong with using leverage to get further improvement.

Exactly my point, although even coming to the table is dangerous. "Good faith" is not something you can count on with the R's and that's not even factoring in the fucking asshole in the oval office. The R's and D's could come up with a changed bill and little lord fuckface could still veto it on a whim.
 
But you don't expect the same from Republicans
Yes, I do. I would much prefer that republicans work with a democrat president to meet in the middle of the road as opposed to fighting over one extreme or the other.
 
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