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"what, no..really? who knows? haha, maybe. I don't know.
why you asking me? tehee"
Not sure if you took a look at the unsolved.com link I posted but there's more to it than just eye witnesses not recognizing him.
There's evidence to suggest that the Carr brothers were in fact involved with a Satanic cult and we know that Berkowitz was friends with them. So you have Berkowitz stating that the murders were cult-related and that the Carr brothers were involved, and also evidence linking the Carrs with cult activity.
Then you consider that one of the Carr bros committed suicide a short time after Berkowitz's arrest, which his girlfriend believed to have been a murder. Berkowitz has agreed with this assessment, saying that Carr was killed to keep him quiet.
Consider this excerpt:
So, yes, you have a crazy person like Berkowitz saying crazy shit. But the thing is, some of that crazy shit actually starts to add up.
The cult from Minot that the Carrs were in is very real and there's still members in the community. I used to be involved in illegal things and I'd run into them every once in awhile. You knew who they were before you even talked to them, it's hard to explain but they carried themselves in a certain way that was out of the norm.
Yeah, Im intrigued as well.No shit.
So what is their deal? What are they all about exactly?
No shit.
So what is their deal? What are they all about exactly?
Just for the record, I never have done or dealt meth.
I was a teenager when meth started getting big. By the time I got interested in drugs, I'd seen too many peoples lives get ruined by that shit that I never touched it. I never will.<looks at your avatar, doubts claim>
Just found this. It's a very brief overview of Maury Terry's research. Pretty interesting.
https://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/pub...70814_064-probe_of_son_of_sam_terror_cult.pdf
I figured I'd tag you guys since y'all have shown some actual interest ITT: @Supereem @TheRuthlessOne @DaleBoca @I Am Legion @the muntjac @Cubo de Sangre @jefferz @HunterAcosta @is normal
Yeah
Its not on the level of zodiac or anything but I think its solid
Thanks. This seems to want me to believe both Berky and Manson were in the same cult. If I have to believe Manson was operating under the orders of a cult to believe it to be the case in Son of Sam then I'm out. Nothing about Manson's case suggests anything of the sort.
Not sure about Manson. But I would caution you against having an all-or-nothing attitude. Something doesn't have to be 100% or 0% true. The truth can always lie somewhere in the middle.
Great. Because I'm warming up to this Satanic cult idea. Never found the case interesting and this would change all that.
Prison sources who knew Berkowitz told Maury Terry that Berkowitz had been introduced to the cult by John Carr’s brother, Michael, in the 70’s. According to Maury Terry:
“Michael Carr ended up inviting Berkowitz to attend what he called ‘a floating coven party’. And Berkowitz came in and attended the party and symbolically, not literally, but symbolically, the .44 was put into his hand that night. That’s how he got into the cult scene.”
Berkowitz admitted during two different court depositions that he knew both John and Michael Carr and that they were part of a satanic cult. And, he said the brothers were killed to keep them from talking. Maury Terry believes that the deaths of the Carr brothers may have been organized by the “22 disciples of Hell” mentioned in the Breslin letter. Maury also says this satanic group performed their rituals in a local park that was just one mile from Berkowitz’s apartment:
“I got a call from a young boy in Yonkers, a 15-year old high school sophomore, wanted to know if I knew that there was a satanic cult that was meeting in Untermyer Park in Yonkers and killing dogs. And so I met him down there, he showed me where the cult was meeting. We saw all the satanic graffiti. Saw the remains of probably two or three German Shepherds. It was a very significant development in the case.”
It also references "John Wheaties," and it was later found out that John Carr's nickname was Wheaties.
Thanks. Let me start here. Nickname indicates some common usage. Was this note made public? If so, wouldn't someone rat out the guy. It's a pretty odd name. Not like Big Jim or something. Just not sure how credible it is that was actually the dude's nickname.
I learned that the 'John Wheaties, rapist and suffocator,' alias of the killer in the Breslin letter, was not really an alias at all, but it was the name of a real person. That person was John Carr, who was the real-life son of Sam Carr. John Carr's nickname was Wheaties. And I learned this within a day of the arrest.
Well the note was obviously made public eventually, but I'm not sure when exactly.
Here's Maury Terry's comment on the matter:
We couldn't rule out the possibility that Terry is just making shit up out of whole cloth. But he was a serious and respected journalist, so that seems unlikely.
It's also possible of course that whoever gave him this information was bullshitting him. So that's something to consider. But I lean toward giving Terry some respect here and presuming that he properly vetted the information before just running with it.
Assuming that was the dude's nickname (outside the confines of the cult), wouldn't it make sense that it would be easy to corroborate? If you saw that killer's note in the paper and knew a guy named John Wheaties would you speak up at some point?
@Cubo de Sangre, here's an article on the potential Manson-Berkowitz connection that you might find interesting:
http://crimefeed.com/2017/08/the-pr...an-cult-connect-son-of-sam-to-charles-manson/
I think it's interesting, but really, I think that whether or not Berkowitz has any tenuous link to Manson is neither here nor there. All that's really important is linking him to a local cult that was active during the time of the murders.