Economy 12 Years and $34 Billion Later, Canada's Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion Is Set To Complete.

haha,

But yes what British Columbians CAN understand is doing everything to try and screw Alberta and to drive their costs up and out of line with the rest of Canada while saying 'but don't pass on any of that increased cost to us'. FLOL.

They are caught in their own trap.

Mr. Horgan says the long-term answer is to have more refining capacity to meet demand. It’s a tough sell, to demand the industry invest billions in new refining capacity when his government wants to freeze the amount of crude oil transported through the province.
 
They are caught in their own trap.

Mr. Horgan says the long-term answer is to have more refining capacity to meet demand. It’s a tough sell, to demand the industry invest billions in new refining capacity when his government wants to freeze the amount of crude oil transported through the province.

So here we have a government on one hand implementing a carbon tax, which according to them, will drive down consumption of fossil fuels and is no way a cash grab, then out the other side of their mouth calls to increase refining. If they were serious about reducing emissions Horgan would be applauding this price jump, instead they are mad that producers are also profiting off the plebs.

He is starting to sound like Maduro, blaming every outside entity he can.
 
So here we have a government on one hand implementing a carbon tax, which according to them, will drive down consumption of fossil fuels and is no way a cash grab, then out the other side of their mouth calls to increase refining. If they were serious about reducing emissions Horgan would be applauding this price jump, instead they are mad that producers are also profiting off the plebs.

He is starting to sound like Maduro, blaming every outside entity he can.


Spot on. He sounds exactly like a Communist intent on wrecking industries while blaming others for his own blowback.
 
fuck this whole pipeline business...you know its not good when they are pushing and pushing propaganda for it everywhere from radio stations to youtube....

the companies extracting these natural resources for their own profit are not even canadian owned...when they start paying us what we deserve for our resources...we might...MIGHT care about saving them a few dollars in transportation of it...

IMO we should just take away any and all rights foreign companies have to extract resources from this country, those resources BELONG to every natural born canadian and when these foreign companies take our shit....we see very little in return on that....surely not what we are due

everyone is fine with the gov taking more and more control everywhere else but when it comes to our resources....they dont want to see that ...at least not enough to make an issue of it...
 
Canada has the 3rd largest proven oil reserve in the world. Oil is more plentiful in Canada than Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, UAE, or Russia.

I just did a quick conversion and figured out that the 1.70 CAD/liter gas price in BC is approximately 5 USD/gallon.

Who needs OPEC when you can screw yourselves over at the pump, eh?



Well said.
 
fuck this whole pipeline business...you know its not good when they are pushing and pushing propaganda for it everywhere from radio stations to youtube....

the companies extracting these natural resources for their own profit are not even canadian owned...when they start paying us what we deserve for our resources...we might...MIGHT care about saving them a few dollars in transportation of it...

IMO we should just take away any and all rights foreign companies have to extract resources from this country, those resources BELONG to every natural born canadian and when these foreign companies take our shit....we see very little in return on that....surely not what we are due

everyone is fine with the gov taking more and more control everywhere else but when it comes to our resources....they dont want to see that ...at least not enough to make an issue of it...

You do realize the biggest O&G producers in Canada are Canadian right? Suncor, CNRL, Cenovus etc. Not to mention the hundreds of junior producers.

O&G makes up 10% of our GDP, which pads federal and provincial government coffers like no other industry. I hate when people talk about getting a fair share like we all deserve personal royalty cheques.

You should be angry at federal and provincial governments who only allow Canadian producers to have 1 customer, the US.
 
fuck this whole pipeline business...you know its not good when they are pushing and pushing propaganda for it everywhere from radio stations to youtube....

the companies extracting these natural resources for their own profit are not even canadian owned...when they start paying us what we deserve for our resources...we might...MIGHT care about saving them a few dollars in transportation of it...

IMO we should just take away any and all rights foreign companies have to extract resources from this country, those resources BELONG to every natural born canadian and when these foreign companies take our shit....we see very little in return on that....surely not what we are due

everyone is fine with the gov taking more and more control everywhere else but when it comes to our resources....they dont want to see that ...at least not enough to make an issue of it...

Not sure if drunk, or high, or both.

The biggest oil and gas companies in Canada are Canadian. The TransMountain oil pipeline is owned by the Canadian government.

From your incoherent rambling, what I AM sure of is that you haven't read a single post in this entire discussion before jumping in face-first, and thus and have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, much less what we are debating here.
 
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I love this story cuz it is such a liberal fail.

The cost of gas is so expensive that residents in the Lower Mainland are driving across the border to fill up at the pump and save some cash.

“Many people in White Rock are driving south of the border to places like Bellingham [Washington] to fill up,” Gasbuddy.com’s Dan McTeague said. “Gas prices in Vancouver are at an all-time high. When will the madness end?”

The desperation for cheaper gas seems to also be reaching new levels. One

Metro Vancouver resident said a thief drilled into his gas tank to get at the fuel Sunday evening.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5201572/gas-price-vancouver-canada/
 
fuck this whole pipeline business...you know its not good when they are pushing and pushing propaganda for it everywhere from radio stations to youtube....

the companies extracting these natural resources for their own profit are not even canadian owned...when they start paying us what we deserve for our resources...we might...MIGHT care about saving them a few dollars in transportation of it...

IMO we should just take away any and all rights foreign companies have to extract resources from this country, those resources BELONG to every natural born canadian and when these foreign companies take our shit....we see very little in return on that....surely not what we are due

everyone is fine with the gov taking more and more control everywhere else but when it comes to our resources....they dont want to see that ...at least not enough to make an issue of it...

Pipelines are literally the only solution.

The US and Canada can't function, not even close to function, without them. And they are WAY safer for the environment than trucks or rail-cars (not to mention far more economical). It's not even close.
 
fuck this whole pipeline business...you know its not good when they are pushing and pushing propaganda for it everywhere from radio stations to youtube....

the companies extracting these natural resources for their own profit are not even canadian owned...when they start paying us what we deserve for our resources...we might...MIGHT care about saving them a few dollars in transportation of it...

IMO we should just take away any and all rights foreign companies have to extract resources from this country, those resources BELONG to every natural born canadian and when these foreign companies take our shit....we see very little in return on that....surely not what we are due

everyone is fine with the gov taking more and more control everywhere else but when it comes to our resources....they don't want to see that ...at least not enough to make an issue of it...
and start by Nationalizing our Water first as water is more expensive per litre than gas and we give it away while Nestle and others bottle it and make billions.

Why? Because again, misguided Lefties think selling water is wrong and they shame any gov't that tries to profit off of commercializing it. So no gov't will touch it. And that leaves communities across the country getting only tiny tax revenue form their water reserves and they then sell off the rights to draw 'surplus' water to these multinationals for minimal amounts because to these small town gov'ts it money they would not get otherwise. Those companies receive billions often paying cities thousands.

If we Nationalized water and ported all the surplus to California and Arizona and other US States via pipelines Canada would be far richer country than Norway.
 
I love this story cuz it is such a liberal fail.

The cost of gas is so expensive that residents in the Lower Mainland are driving across the border to fill up at the pump and save some cash.

“Many people in White Rock are driving south of the border to places like Bellingham [Washington] to fill up,” Gasbuddy.com’s Dan McTeague said. “Gas prices in Vancouver are at an all-time high. When will the madness end?”

The desperation for cheaper gas seems to also be reaching new levels. One

Metro Vancouver resident said a thief drilled into his gas tank to get at the fuel Sunday evening.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5201572/gas-price-vancouver-canada/
The irony is that they are likely buying Gas that was refined from Canadian oil in the US. As a Canadian we can almost always get cheaper gas from Canadian Oil in the US.
 
Pipelines are literally the only solution.

The US and Canada can't function, not even close to function, without them. And they are WAY safer for the environment than trucks or rail-cars (not to mention far more economical). It's not even close.
And pipelines contribute far, far less CO2 to the atmosphere than trucks and trains. the same people screaming about Global Warming fight to add more trucks and rail transport unwittingly.
 
A lot of British Columbians (mainly Vancouver metro) tend to think of British Columbia as its own country. Because Vancouver is the only major city in the province Vauncouverites tend to think that only they matter and the rest of BC is just whatever. Kinda like people from LA think that they're represent all of California and can't believe the rest of the US doesn't think the same way they do.

Yup. I grew up in North Vancouver and a smugger bunch you won't find anywhere on earth.
 
And pipelines contribute far, far less CO2 to the atmosphere than trucks and trains. the same people screaming about Global Warming fight to add more trucks and rail transport unwittingly.

Exactly. I'd put actual incidents between trucks and rail-car to pipelines at about 10,000 to 1. And as you said, the emissions are crazy bad on those transport vehicles.
 
The biggest irony is that the demonization and fight against Alberta Oil is proven to be by Big US OIl and Big Natural Gas interests in BC and other such parties. They are funding organizations like The David Suzuki FOundation and the Native Groups to oppose it so they can benefit.

Yes Canada has a massive Oil reserve for a small country population wise, but big US Oil makes more profit off Canadian Oil than Canadians do.

And again, ironically. all these efforts make AB oil less environmentally friendly. It means MORE greenhouse gases, not less but ignorant Canadians gonna ignorant. Give them a feel good story, even if a lie and they will eat it up. The term 'useful idiots' does not go far enough to describe the Canadians duped into opposing this to the countries and their own detriment.

It is truly tragic as instead Canada could have kept those profits in the country and continued to force and pressure the industry to improve technologies and reduce emissions in way that would improve the industry worldwide.

Following the big US money behind Canadian pipeline protests

$13 Million Paid to the David Suzuki's Foundation from U.S. Sources

We truly are a cuckold nation when it comes to our natural resources.
 
Damn, that observation about how ideological/religious/political enemies (who still shoot at each other regularly) like India and Pakistan can work together to build a pipeline for mutually-beneficial economic prosperity, but friendly Canadian provincial neighbors couldn't...


“Stranded petroleum assets”: a new catch phrase that Canada subscribes to but no one else
Terry Etam | April 24, 2019

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Oil tankers in transit

I’m sure everyone is aware of the current state of renewable energy, because you’d have to live in the Mariana Trench not to be. The great god Google makes this clear; searching for “wind energy” coughs up 420 million results; “solar energy” finds 620 million references. Poor old “fossil fuels” yields only 88 million, despite being the backbone of the world. While that is a sign of the times, fossil fuels, no matter what one wants to hear, still dominate the global landscape, and attempts to diminish that through words alone are unhelpful to say the least.

A new narrative has popped up in the mainstream, continuous references to “stranded petroleum assets.” This is the second half of a bigger strategy, whereby activists are dissuading the world from investing in fossil fuels, and based on the success of that project, trying to embed in the public’s mind the concept that petroleum assets will be “stranded”, that they will rapidly become worthless, so invest at your peril. This devious tactic is applied full force with Canada’s oil sands; blockade market access by any means necessary and then declare the oil sands “stranded assets” because they are uneconomic. As with many of eco-activist campaigns, it is strategic, extremely well executed, ethnocentric, and almost comically misguided. But that never gets in the way of a good strategy. So let’s look at what’s really happening in the great big world, and when you hear the phrase “stranded assets” again maybe we’ll be able to see something other than the illusion being perpetrated.

The International Energy Agency recently released 2018 data showing that “demand for all fuels increased, led by natural gas, even as solar and wind posted double digit growth.” US natural gas consumption rose by 10 percent in 2018. Coal-fired power plants emitted more than ever in 2018 as “a fleet of relatively new coal plants located in Asia…led the way toward a record for emissions from coal-fired power plants – exceeding 10 billion tons of carbon dioxide for the first time.” Some news outlets posted weird environmentally celebratory headlines such as “global coal plant pipeline shrinks for third year” as can be read here but apparently some adult stepped in to calm the frothing/propagandizing headline writer and replace the title with a more fitting “Global coal plant construction rises in 2018,” as it now appears on the website.

Meanwhile, back at the well head, much of the world continues to act in accordance with these growth statistics. Ivory Coast “seeks to increase crude output amid rising interest from super-majors…seeking to diversify an economy whose exports are dominated by [cocoa] and gold.” European energy company Eni reports a major oil discovery offshore Angola, the country being a key country in Eni’s growth strategy, along with developments offshore Indonesia. Total is busy starting production from giant Egina field offshore Nigeria. Swedish E&P company Svenska Petroleum is drilling the first-ever deepwater welloffshore Guinea Bissau. Not to be outdone, fellow Scandinavian oil fanboy Equinor is drilling in the North Sea again, in multiple areas. Fellow Norwegian company Aker Energy last month reported successful drilling results offshore Ghana, and ExxonMobil is active in offshore Guyana (and let’s hope the ex-pats are able to keep Ghana and Guyana straight when booking flights). Finally, it hardly seems necessary to point out what is happening in the US petroleum sector; in the past decade, the US has added more production than Canada’s total output, for both oil and natural gas. All that petroleum, not just for the US but every other jurisdiction, has managed to find a route to market. To add a comical footnote to that circumstance, recall that Pakistan and India (arch-enemies that shoot at each other periodically) joined forces with Turkmenistan, Afghanistan and, incredibly, the Taliban (who shoot at everything periodically) to build a natural gas pipeline.

Now, with all that going on, we know what’s happening in our own back yard. A quick scan of the energy headlines for Canada shows us, here we go: “Canadian oil industry takes fresh hitwith key pipeline delayed.” Over on BNN Bloomberg the wet blanket news continues: “Canada’s energy crisis: BNN Bloomberg’s 2018 Story of the Year.” Investor groups are warning Prime Minister Trudeau that “investors and companies will continue to avoid the Canadian energy sector unless more is done to improve market access.” Wonder why they’d think that? Oh here’s a clue in Canada’s national newspaper the Globe and Mail: “It’s time for an exit strategy from oil and gas.”

That last article sums it up, in our own Canadian let’s-tie-our-shoelaces-together-and-try-to-catch-the-bus way. Three factors are at play here: first, an overarching, overwhelming desire for the world to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Second, it’s not happening; global energy consumption continues to rise as the world strives to improve its standard of living (and the west – all of us – show little interest in lowering ours). Third, the whole world is reacting to market forces by building pipelines and energy infrastructure, and bringing new petroleum products to market. Countries that are at the forefront of the climate change movement like the Netherlands, who shut in their own large gas field, are simply now importing more gas from Russia via new pipelines.

We do things differently in the Great White North. Through some bizarre combination of shame at our own resources and determination to be the world’s boy scout, we are pretty much the only place on earth that is buying into the concept of “stranded petroleum assets.” We are saying to the activists of the world, oh, you mean like this? As/if/when commodity prices rise, capital will flow to develop resources wherever they may be, with one notable exception.

Canada stands alone, a pariah and a sap at the same time. Making that point crystal clear is the picture above, showing what Canada is “saving” relative to what is happening in the world. The red markers are oil tankers in transit at a recent point in time. If it seems like a lot, remember that over 50 million barrels per day is moved safely on waters, every day. If it weren’t so serious and harmful the image would be the funniest thing since SCTV.

From a global emissions perspective, we can see where priorities should lie. Coal remains the biggest problem from an emissions standpoint, The IEA in the 2018 report noted that coal “remains the largest source of electricity and the second –largest source of primary energy in the world.” Between reduced coal usage and sensible efficiency promotion – such as hybrid vehicle promotion rather than pure electric vehicle mania – the world could go a very long way towards meeting emissions targets.

But where’s the fun in that when the second largest nation on earth markets itself as a piñata?

https://boereport.com/2019/04/24/ab...hat-canada-subscribes-to-but-no-one-else/amp/
 
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You do realize the biggest O&G producers in Canada are Canadian right? Suncor, CNRL, Cenovus etc. Not to mention the hundreds of junior producers.

O&G makes up 10% of our GDP, which pads federal and provincial government coffers like no other industry. I hate when people talk about getting a fair share like we all deserve personal royalty cheques.

You should be angry at federal and provincial governments who only allow Canadian producers to have 1 customer, the US.
we do deserve royalty cheques of some sort or another and we would be getting that((not necessarily in the form of a personalized cheque being made out to you)) IF we were getting fair prices and IF that money was being taken in by the Fed or at least ....being taxed properly by the Fed
Not sure if drunk, or high, or both.

The biggest oil and gas companies in Canada are Canadian. The TransMountain oil pipeline is owned by the Canadian government.

From your incoherent rambling, what I AM sure of is that you haven't read a single post in this entire discussion before jumping in face-first, and thus and have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, much less what we are debating here.
great the pipeline is owned by the canadian government, whatever blah blah company is "canadian" and none of that changes that the country ((us, the people)) is not getting its due reward over precious resources sold
so you can sit there pandering to each other all you would like, that is the heart of the real matter and until that is resolved...i dont give two shits about "them" wanting a better way to make more money from us

Pipelines are literally the only solution.

The US and Canada can't function, not even close to function, without them. And they are WAY safer for the environment than trucks or rail-cars (not to mention far more economical). It's not even close.
they literally NOT the only solution lol
 
we do deserve royalty cheques of some sort or another and we would be getting that((not necessarily in the form of a personalized cheque being made out to you)) IF we were getting fair prices and IF that money was being taken in by the Fed or at least ....being taxed properly by the Fed
great the pipeline is owned by the canadian government, whatever blah blah company is "canadian" and none of that changes that the country ((us, the people)) is not getting its due reward over precious resources sold
so you can sit there pandering to each other all you would like, that is the heart of the real matter and until that is resolved...i dont give two shits about "them" wanting a better way to make more money from us

they literally NOT the only solution lol

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It is plentiful but on the bottom of the production cost totem poll. Very likely most of that will stay as sand in the ground.

Technological innovations is the reason why the U.S is once again the world's #1 oil producer, as it only took several years for shale's production cost to drop down to half what it was. I highly doubt Canadian oilsands will ever get the same R&D treatment though, now that investors are running for the hills.

You do realize the biggest O&G producers in Canada are Canadian right? Suncor, CNRL, Cenovus etc. Not to mention the hundreds of junior producers.

O&G makes up 10% of our GDP, which pads federal and provincial government coffers like no other industry. I hate when people talk about getting a fair share like we all deserve personal royalty cheques.

You should be angry at federal and provincial governments who only allow Canadian producers to have 1 customer, the US.

Furthermore, foreign oil producers and investors are fleeing en masse from Canada ever since the pipelines got culled one by one. It doesn't make any sense for them to produce something that they can't sell at market price.

Flight of Capital is real, folks. Among them are Royal Dutch Shell, ConocoPhillips., Murphy, Marathon, Statoil, Total, and now Devon have packed their bags. Soon all that remains will be Canadian: Suncor, Canadian Natural, Husky, Imperial, and Cenovus.


Devon Energy wants out of the oilsands
A decade from now the vast majority of foreign producers will likely be gone, analysts say

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CALGARY — American oil giant Devon Energy Corp. is the latest international producer to put its oilsands assets up for sale, but analysts think Canadian producers will be cautious about spending billions to buy the properties.

Oklahoma City-based Devon announced Tuesday that “the timing is now appropriate” to divest from its Canadian assets including the 100,000-barrels-per-day Jackfish thermal oilsands plant and other heavy oil properties, which account for 24 per cent of the company’s total production.

If it is able to find a buyer for the assets, Devon will join a long list of foreign firms that have reduced their exposure to Canadian heavy oil, including Royal Dutch Shell Plc, ConocoPhillips Co., Murphy Oil Corp., Marathon Oil Corp., Statoil SA and Total SA.

Over the past few years, oil majors have sold oilsands assets worth at least $33.6 billion, primarily to domestic producers, exiting mostly due to pipeline capacity issues and better investment opportunities elsewhere in the world, especially in the U.S. shale basins.

“There have been multiple transactions in Canada in the (steam-based oilsands) space of the last couple of years,” Devon executive vice-president and chief financial officer Jeff Ritenour said on an earnings call, but declined to comment on the company’s asking price for the assets.

In 2014, Canadian Natural acquired Devon’s conventional gas operations in Western Canada for about $3.1 billion. The Canada Pension Plan Investment Board and Wolf Midstream Inc. also spent $1.4 billion to buy Devon’s half ownership of the Access oilsands pipeline in 2016.

Devon said the separation or possible sale of the assets will enable it “to complete its transformation to a high-return U.S. oil growth business.” The company is also selling its Barnett Shale assets in Texas, and focusing on other U.S. shale basins in New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma and Wyoming.

Mike Dunn, analyst at Calgary-based GMP FirstEnergy, said Devon’s decision to sell its Canadian properties is not surprising, given the challenges facing the domestic energy sector.

“The trend is, a decade from now, the vast majority of the rest (of the foreign producers) are probably gone,” he said.

Devon’s divestment of its oilsands assets is “long overdue,” said St. Louis-based Edward Jones analyst Jennifer Rowland, but the company is “probably late to the game in getting out of Canada.”

Canada-headquartered companies have already spent tens of billions of dollars buying up oilsands projects from foreign producers, and are now grappling with stretched balance sheets, according to Rowland.

Still, Devon’s Jackfish property is considered a high-quality, reliable oilsands plant that will draw interest, as will the undeveloped Pike oilsands properties. “I think the buyers will be there,” she said.

The company’s Canadian assets could fetch between $7 billion and $9 billion, Eight Capital analyst Phil Skolnick said in a note — or between $3.5 billion and $5.5 billion, according to a report by Jon Morrison, a CIBC Capital Markets analyst.

In all likelihood, the Canadian assets will be sold at a price below what Husky Energy Inc. was originally willing to pay for MEG Energy Corp. when it launched its $6.4-billion hostile offer last year, GMP’s Dunn said.

“The price tag is probably lower than MEG’s,” according to Dunn. Husky ended up abandoning that deal even though MEG was unable to find a white knight to fend off the hostile suitor.

Devon’s oilsands assets aren’t likely a strategic fit geographically for Suncor Energy Inc. or Imperial Oil Ltd, according to Dunn, while both Cenovus and Canadian Natural Resources Ltd. are still digesting their respective $17.7-billion and $12.7-billion oilsands acquisitions from 2017.

That could mean Husky is a potential natural suitor for the Devon oilsands assets, as it operates in the same region and has the balance sheet flexibility, Dunn noted.

CIBC’s Morrison, however, believes Suncor, Canadian Natural, Husky and Imperial could be “logical buyers,” but Cenovus Energy Inc. is unlikely to bid as it works to pay down its large debt load.

Suncor, Canadian Natural, Husky, Cenovus and Imperial declined to comment.

https://business.financialpost.com/...e-to-the-party-in-selling-off-oilsands-assets
 
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