Oliveira and the glove grab : to be the champ, you have to beat the champ's tricks

[Hazuki Ryo]

Did Oliveira briefly grab the glove ? Probably yes.. Did it prevent Dustin to take his arm off ? Probably yes.. But guess what ? all champs do their tricks, and that doesn't mean they're not deserving.
Aldo used to grab the cage against Mendes, Anderson grabbed Chael's shorts, GSP was greasy, Jon Jones and his eye pokes etc...
Is it fair ? No.. But we're talking about a sport where guys literally shorten their lives for money. We're talking about a sport so violent, so competitive, so hard and so intense that sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to stay in the fight.
I'm not even talking about peds here (you should ask the diaz bros what they think about it), but those little tricks are part of the veterans game. And the master of it was Romero, long time olympic wrestler and great at taking breaks during the fight

 

[Steve Fox]

Like Poirier using the fence as leverage while grappling with Conor. It is what it is at the end of the day.

 

[DS66]

Yeah I'm inclined to agree. It's the ref's job to intervene if he sees a foul. It's a fist fight, there's gonna be shit that happens in basically every fight. Let the refs worry about that. In this case, Charles was crafty enough to get away with it.

Regardless, its not like the foul directly lead to his victory. It would be different if he held the glove, and then arm barred him immediately after as a result. But overall it wasn't super consequential, Dustin survived the round and Charles won fair and square in the next round.

 

[Kwic]

If you ain't cheatin you ain't trying.
— Chael.

 

[Leinster Rugby]

Jon Jones and his huge bag of peds etc...

Ftfy

 

[RiotWyatt]

I was pretty annoyed at the glove grab but, even then, I felt the ending was inevitable.

Oliveira was wearing Porier down with those nasty knees. He got hurt, recovered and kept working Poirier down.

Before the glove grab I was feeling like Oliveira was on his way to winning. It tainted the victory in my eyes. Even though I felt Oliveira was going to win anyways.

 

[UFCIsNOTRigged]

Oliveira did not cheat.

He was trying to control Poiriers wrist, on accident he grabbed the glove and within two seconds on the clock he had adjusted his grip so that he was holding (controlling) dustins wrist and not gripping his glove.

Oliveira was also controlling Poiriers ankles when the two second "glove grab" occurred; he wasn't at any time (including the two second interval he "grabbed" the glove) maintaining position based on the grab.

Rogan fucked up by saying this on the air. When he was in the midst of verbalizing it to the audience Oliveira very clearly was not grabbing Poiriers glove. He should have just stopped there instead of trying to bait his colleague (Anik) into acknowledging his incorrect assertion. These inadvertent incidental "fouls" happen in every single fight countless times. The reason a ref does not shout at the fighters every time they see one is because they know the fighter committing the "foul" will have adjusted to a legal position before they have time to utter a single word.

This type of thing is so inconsequential it is a shame Rogans stupidity and incompetence is responsible for part of the audience believing Charles cheated when he did not. They really need to stop using him for PPVs he doesn't even understand what he is watching anymore; its why he stated over twenty times during Ryan Halls fight than Minner was in "imminent" danger of being submitted.

For those who did not hear it. Dustin was asked during the post fight press conference about the "glove grab" and he said he did not feel or see a glove grab; thats because there was none.

 

[Mavrilicious]

Like Poirier using the fence as leverage while grappling with Conor. It is what it is at the end of the day.

Lol how was that leverage? Anyone who'd ever grappled knows thats the defense to that white belt, shitty guillotine con-man mctapper tried.

 

[Steve Fox]

Lol how was that leverage? Anyone who'd ever grappled knows thats the defense to that white belt, shitty guillotine con-man mctapper tried.

 

[Simple Southerner]

Lol at people that still think oli won because he cheated

 

[GilErick]

To this day we don’t have a clear footage showing Oliveira’s finger in Dustin glove. Only Dustin fans crying over a blurry image

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Lol at people that still think oli won because he cheated

Wasn't the only reason but it helped. Not that it matters at this point

 

[Phisher]

Did Oliveira briefly grab the glove ? Probably yes.. Did it prevent Dustin to take his arm off ? Probably yes.. But guess what ? all champs do their dirty tricks, and that doesn't mean they're not deserving.
Aldo used to grab the cage against Mendes, Anderson grabbed Chael's shorts, GSP was greasy, Jon Jones and his eye pokes etc...
Is it fair ? No.. But we're talking about a sport where guys literally shorten their lives for money. We're talking about a sport so violent, so competitive, so hard and so intense that sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to stay in the fight.
I'm not even talking about peds here (you should ask the diaz bros what they think about it), but those little tricks are part of the veterans game. And the master of it was Romero, long time olympic wrestler and great at taking breaks during the fight

Grabbing the gloves isn't illegal. Hooking the fingers inside of the gloves is. There isn't conclusive video evidence that Oliveira cheated. Poirier said that he didn't feel him doing it, and he didn't complain in the moment like he did when Conor hooked his gloves in the trilogy fight.

Oliveira got smeared by Rogan's subpar commentary.

 

[Phisher]

Wasn't the only reason but it helped. Not that it matters at this point

There's no evidence that he cheated at all, and Poirier said it didn't happen.

 

[Moro]

Like Poirier using the fence as leverage while grappling with Conor. It is what it is at the end of the day.

Conor was gonna be flatlined sooner or later in those fights against Diamond.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

There's no evidence that he cheated at all, and Poirier said it didn't happen.

Its literally on video video but ok. And poirier didn't say that lol. He said he didn't feel finger which is not the same thing.

 

[Bradillac]

Its literally on video video but ok. And poirier didn't say that lol. He said he didn't feel finger which is not the same thing.

If anything the video makes it look like he never hooked the glove. Do people seriously think grabbing the glove is illegal? It's not. And even if he did hook the glove for a fraction of a second (There's no actual proof that he did) do you seriously think that's the reason Charles got on top of Dustin? The wrist control Charles had would have been more than enough to keep Dustin's arm trapped.

 

[legcramp]

It's called a veteran's move and Charles is one of the biggest veterans in the sport right now. Is normal get over it crybabies.

 

[Captain Insano]

I love how all the sherbros love comparing mma to streetfighting and then get butthurt at a glove grab...is it a fight or no?

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

If anything the video makes it look like he never hooked the glove. Do people seriously think grabbing the glove is illegal? It's not. And even if he did hook the glove for a fraction of a second (There's no actual proof that he did) do you seriously think that's the reason Charles got on top of Dustin? The wrist control Charles had would have been more than enough to keep Dustin's arm trapped.

It pretty clearly looks like he's hooking the palm opening of the glove which is 100% illegal. And no a grip on the wrist with no thumb is basically nothing. Hell, even a grip with 1 hand isn't great with no material to grip. But whatever. People really want to pretend it didn't happen for whatever reason.

Charles won. He hooked the glove for a few seconds to keep the arm secure. It helped. But ultimately it wasn't the end all be all. Charles did a lot right. Dustin made bad decisions. Charles is a great champion and he's good for the division.