International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

[kflo]

What does censured means? is that like put in "paid leave" a dishonorable discharged or just shuffled around until things calm down?

Also why weren't they identified as WCK workers? when IDF knew the routes and was in communication with WCK? why couldn't they see the markings on the cars despite claiming they had surveillance on the cars?

Are those findings going to be made public or at least presented to the relatives of the victims and other aid organizations?

The army said the colonel and the major were dismissed, while three other officers were reprimanded. It said the results of its investigation were turned over to the military's advocate general, who will decide whether the officers or anyone else involved in the killings should receive further punishment or be prosecuted.

If they knew they were WCK workers, wouldn’t they also know it’s highly likely they were westerners in the vehicles?

 

[Snubnoze707]

I love how the defense is "they wouldn't do this because they know they would get in trouble"

LOL... I guess we never have to worry about anyone committing a crime ever again because they may face punishment.

Also... I love how just punishing a few officers results in wiping hands clean and "we good" despite this being part of much broader actions - only difference here is they killed westerners. When they were killing infant Palestinians and executing Palestinian doctors everything was a-okay.

 

[Rod1]

If they knew they were WCK workers, wouldn’t they also know it’s highly likely they were westerners in the vehicles?

Are Colonels and Majors briefed on the composition of aid groups working in Gaza?

If the ROEs allow for the strike of aid groups on the minimal suspicion of militant involvement or there is an aura of impunity around the striking of aid workers its not out of the ordinary that the people involved simply didn't gave a shit and expected that there would be not much problem about it.

After all this is not the first time it has happened, they have killed over a hundred of them, this is just the first part they attacked Westerners.

 

[iwannabeadored]

It's been discussed Ad nauseum on here.

It's doubtful that, if it was a deliberate attack, the order came from high up the command chain. More likely a rogue unit that decided to target the aid convoy because they regarded them as helping the enemy. Or it could just be a monumental fuck up. Either way, it's a spectacular own-goal by the IDF, at a time when Israel needs all the help it can get.

Retarded take.

This was a systematic attack on aid for Gaza.


Israel has succeeded so far in their goal of stopping aid into gaza

1. They’ve spread lies that UNRWA is as apart of October 7th which they haven’t supplied any evidence on


2. They bombed the fuck out of aid workers as a deterrent for anyone else thinking about bringing aid into Gaza.


Israel knows exactly what they are doing. It’s not coincidence

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/classr...li-strike-kills-world-central-kitchen-workers

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

What does censured means? is that like put in "paid leave" a dishonorable discharged or just shuffled around until things calm down?

Reprimanded. Rebuked. Reproved.

Did you miss the part before it that said two officers were sacked?

Also why weren't they identified as WCK workers? when IDF knew the routes and was in communication with WCK? why couldn't they see the markings on the cars despite claiming they had surveillance on the cars?

Am I the mouthpiece of the IDF? This is they had to say about the WCK vehicles, which was written in the post you quoted:

According to the investigation, IDF troops identified one gunman on top of one of the WCK trucks that had arrived at a warehouse to unload a shipment of aid that had arrived earlier by sea. The troops also believed there was a second gunman in the area.

Later, several vehicles left the warehouse where the aid was unloaded, and one of the commanders mistakenly believed that the armed men seen earlier were in the escort vehicles and that they were Hamas terrorists, the IDF probe says.

The IDF says the troops did not identify the escort vehicles as being associated with WCK, and as they believed they were carrying Hamas gunmen, airstrikes were carried out against three of the cars, leading to the deaths of seven WCK workers.

Just like I speculated, it was a case of misidentification.

Are those findings going to be made public or at least presented to the relatives of the victims and other aid organizations?

I don't know.

 

[Rod1]

Seems that WCK is not accepting anything but an independent investigation.

It's been discussed Ad nauseum on here.

It's doubtful that, if it was a deliberate attack, the order came from high up the command chain. More likely a rogue unit that decided to target the aid convoy because they regarded them as helping the enemy. Or it could just be a monumental fuck up. Either way, it's a spectacular own-goal by the IDF, at a time when Israel needs all the help it can get.

Or most likely there is a very lax policy and an ambience of impunity that gets conductive to these type of strikes.

I doubt they need to check all strikes with high command and i don't think people on the lower chain of command are aware of the composition of all the various aid groups.

As i said before this is the equivalent of the Yuvel Castleman moment, where people just shat on the guy that shot him because of the media storm.

 

[kflo]

Are Colonels and Majors briefed on the composition of aid groups working in Gaza?

If the ROEs allow for the strike of aid groups on the minimal suspicion of militant involvement or there is an aura of impunity around the striking of aid workers its not out of the ordinary that the people involved simply didn't gave a shit and expected that there would be not much problem about it.

After all this is not the first time it has happened, they have killed over a hundred of them, this is just the first part they attacked Westerners.

I’m asking because you credited the quality of IDF surveillance and intelligence, yet also suggested they intentionally killed aide workers because they thought they were just killing muslims and not westerners. A bit of a disconnect….

Also - question - how many aide workers have been killed by Hamas?

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

To be honest I don't really care about his background, I care that he's been propping up the mass killing of tens of thousands of civilians on the net non stop for months.

To be honest I don't really think that much about you. For all I know, you're just another insignificant jackass who thinks the murder, rape, and kidnapping of 1,200 innocents Israelis should be left unpunished.

 

[Rod1]

Reprimanded. Rebuked. Reprove.

Did you miss the part before it that said two officers were sacked?

They claim they found a breach of conduct on the part of the people who carried and ordered the strike, i would assume that would be grounds for a court martial.

They also claim they had surveillance on them, but also claim that they misidentified clearly marked vehicles that the IDF knew in advance were coming?

This is the reason why WCK wanted an independent investigation, because unless the reports are made public this will be a case of "We investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong".

 

[Rod1]

I’m asking because you credited the quality of IDF surveillance and intelligence, yet also suggested they intentionally killed aide workers because they thought they were just killing muslims and not westerners. A bit of a disconnect….

This implies Israel is a hive mind entity where everyone mind is connected.

I don't think the people involved in the operation are also briefed on the make up of several aid groups working on the ground and the geopolitical repercussions of their strikes.

They just follow the ROE to see if a target is valid or not.

 

[Rod1]

@kflo

Have you read about the time the US bombed that hospital in Kabul? that's what i think a decent investigation is.

 

[kflo]

This implies Israel is a hive mind entity where everyone mind is connected.

I don't think the people involved in the operation are also briefed on the make up of several aid groups working on the ground and the geopolitical repercussions of their strikes.

They just follow the ROE to see if a target is valid or not.

So you’re claim is they care deeply to NOT kill westerners as that is the only risk to their operations, but also don’t care enough to know whether they may be killing westerners (and again, aid convoys obviously have a much higher probability of having westerners).

 

[KnightTemplar]

Retarded take.

This was a systematic attack on aid for Gaza.


Israel has succeeded so far in their goal of stopping aid into gaza

1. They’ve spread lies that UNRWA is as apart of October 7th which they haven’t supplied any evidence on


2. They bombed the fuck out of aid workers as a deterrent for anyone else thinking about bringing aid into Gaza.


Israel knows exactly what they are doing. It’s not coincidence

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/classr...li-strike-kills-world-central-kitchen-workers

You could be right. But it doesn't really matter. Mistake or targetted strike, no one who matters - yes, I'm looking at you, Joe - gives enough of a shit to change things. And by this time next week, the news cycle will have moved on to the next Big Thing. Most people won't even remember the name of the NGO, much less the names of the dead.

Still, this is the closest Hamas has got to a, "win" over the IDF since 10/7, so they might as well enjoy it. They proved the Israelis are vicious bastards. Guess that makes the utter devestation of Gaza and tens of thousands of dead worth it, huh?

 

[KnightTemplar]

Seems that WCK is not accepting anything but an independent investigation.


Or most likely there is a very lax policy and an ambience of impunity that gets conductive to these type of strikes.

I doubt they need to check all strikes with high command and i don't think people on the lower chain of command are aware of the composition of all the various aid groups.

As i said before this is the equivalent of the Yuvel Castleman moment, where people just shat on the guy that shot him because of the media storm.

That wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Rod1]

So you’re claim is they care deeply to NOT kill westerners as that is the only risk to their operations, but also don’t care enough to know whether they may be killing westerners (and again, aid convoys obviously have a much higher probability of having westerners).

Were they even aware if Westerners were on the ground?

 

[kflo]

@kflo

Have you read about the time the US bombed that hospital in Kabul? that's what i think a decent investigation is.

But this investigation is ongoing. They took immediate action, both against the military personnel, and on their ROE and military strategy, and have a continuing open investigation.

 

[SammyPops]

The Three Rules of War:

1)Don't invade Russia.

2)Don't get involved in a land war in Asia- unless you are Asian

3)Don't fuck with the Jews- post 1945

Fixed it for you

 

[Strychnine]

Allah damn, the entire segment is an absolute murder.

She told him that HE "Was using the rhetoric of the colonials".

Does she not realize that HIS FATHER helped found Hamas and that he WAS an active member?!?

 

[cincymma79]

Israel not Jews you anti semtie!

So they went from getting ethnically cleansed by nazis to ethnically cleansing, illegally occupying land and suppressing the only place that welcomed them post holocaust? Cool take.

I put a picture in your post above so you can illustrate the occupation and genocide side you are supporting

Good I’m glad. Hope they take it all.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Retarded take.

This was a systematic attack on aid for Gaza.


Israel has succeeded so far in their goal of stopping aid into gaza

1. They’ve spread lies that UNRWA is as apart of October 7th which they haven’t supplied any evidence on


2. They bombed the fuck out of aid workers as a deterrent for anyone else thinking about bringing aid into Gaza.


Israel knows exactly what they are doing. It’s not coincidence

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/classr...li-strike-kills-world-central-kitchen-workers

It looks like they failed with that attack then:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-netanyahu-phone-call-israel-world-central-kitchen-strike-gaza/

"The Erez Crossing in northern Gaza, which has not been open since the start of the conflict, will be opened. The Port of Ashdod will be opened for humanitarian deliveries, and aid trucks from Jordan will be allowed to traverse Israel into Gaza via the Kerem Shalom border crossing."