So what, specifically, would be celebrate on Indigenous Peoples' Day? A particular accomplishment? A set of accomplishments? Technological achievement? Fine cuisine? Impact on the world stage? Their history of slavery and human sacrifice? Their peaceful history of cooperation between the native groups in which acts of barbarism were absent until the Europeans showed up? Or simply that they were there?
I'm down for an Indigenous Peoples' Day. Now I'm just wondering - what, specifically, would we be celebrating about said peoples?
If it was pure lunacy he wouldn't of had the kind of backing and participation that he did. These people weren't idiots. Seems like there is a need to hold the position he was a total idiot so I guess we can leave it at that.
Navigation is a big part of my life (love my sextant )and its development and history.
The Pinzón brothers and the discovery of AmericaEdit
Columbus and the Pinzón brothers arrive in America. Painting by Dióscoro Puebla (1862)
The participation of the Pinzón brothers was crucial to Columbus's first voyage, especially in that few were disposed to enlist with Columbus until Martín Alonso, a wealthy and famous shipbuilder in the Tinto-Odiel region, gave his support to the enterprise.[30] Once Martín Alonso gave his support, he undertook a veritable campaign on behalf of the undertaking. His support and that of his brothers and of other distinguished families of mariners in the region served to recruit the necessary crew: sailors from Palos, Huelva, and even from beyond Andalusia. The testimony in the pleitos colombinos indicates that the Pinzón brothers, above all Martín:
No doubt for the first paragraph at all.
By the same token 99.99% of all cultures of the world were complete shit by todays standards and in less than 100 years the next gen of left wing visionaries will want you hung for bigotry. He lived 450 years ago in a different world with different standards, judge him by his accomplishments on yesterdays tech not todays ethics with todays tech
We judge him by the standards of the time, thats why he was jailed for his crimes back then.
So when people are jailed falsely today and released due to the error being found you obviously demand that they're still guilty. After all false imprisonments never happen to this day do they?
That we surely couldCould find a better person to have a holiday for.
He wasnt released due to an error, but due to him being friends with the king.
Columbus wrote in his personal journals about raping young Native girls and roasting other Natives alive. While I always regarded him as an indefensible piece of shit, I have a college friend who ended up studying Columbus and teaches courses on him, and he enlightened me to just what an exceptional piece of shit Columbus was.
Yeah, color me shocked that reactionaries lovingly praise a pedophile torturer, if the alternative is having to yield to any change in society that is not to your comfort and/or benefit.
That's quite the post you have there. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on Columbus. However, a quick Google search and I found this.
Lost document reveals Columbus as tyrant of the Caribbean
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/aug/07/books.spain
He seems like a bad person to me. Not someone to be celebrated.
Cry me a river
They're just going to accuse her of being a communist puppet under control of the Soviet Union. The conversation is stuck in the mud, only thing we can do is start flinging it at eachother and hope we dig ourselves out at some point.
Thats not really what baffles me.
What baffles me is the accusation of Colon being stripped of all the riches of the new colonies, when by all accounts they were poor as hell.
Malnourushed slaves and some nugget of gold were all that Columbus ever managed to extract thats why he left his brothers in charge and was obsessed with reaching India and the lucrative spices there.
Meanwhile the Portuguese were making money hand over fist by trading with Africans and opening more and more ports in their race towards the spice islands.