Arab-Israeli Conflict, v2: What the UN Jerusalem vote mean for Israel, the U.S, and Palestine

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Completely off topic but sorta on because of this picture....

WEAR THE VEST UNDER THE JACKET BUT OVER THE SHIRT IF YOU WANT TO LOOK COOL YOU DOPE. Or better yet, wear the vest under your shirt cause that's very obviously not level 4 steel or ceramic plates and is just soft body armor. Dumb twat.
 
What actually happened is that he has the audacity to finally carried out something Congress long mandated that the last three Presidents skirted around.





Quoting the latest update for the new-comers who somehow missed out on our discussion these past 4 days:



I fully expect that the first issue that the Israelis and Palestinians are anxious to address in the next (and possibly final) peace summit to be Jerusalem's boundaries, and East Jerusalem will eventually be declared the capital of the State of Palestine.


Was that even in the scope of the legislative branch?
 
I know right? Stupid Hamas being butthurt when Israel keeps stealing their land/building illegal settlements and keeping them penned in the world's largest concentration camps.

Those concentration camps with McDonald's, shopping malls and swimming pools. Where the population doubles in 30 years. Such a good comparison if you have no idea wtf you talking about or never been there.

Jews tried to make peace several times and Arabs want nothing less than Israel's destruction. If the power was reversed so you think the Arabs would be so restrained?
 
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/239025

Rockets hit southern Israel
Two rockets fired from Gaza Strip hit southern Israel Thursday evening

Two rockets fired from the Gaza Strip landed in Israel Thursday evening.

Warning sirens were sounded in the Shaar Hanegev and Hof Ashkelon (Ashkelon Coast) regional councils in the western Negev Thursday evening.

Shortly after the sirens were sounded, an IDF spokesperson reported that two rockets had been fired from the Gaza Strip towards Israel.

Both of the rockets landed in open spaces. There are have been no reports of injuries or of damage.

The rocket fire comes after the Hamas terror organization which rules the Gaza Strip warnedthat the “gates of hell” would be opened in the region following President Trump’s announcement Wednesday that the US recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.
 
Isn't a huge problem though the ones that want Israel dead and buried are the ONLY ones allowed at the table? At least as an outsider with only a passing interest in this the ones that want Israel dead and gone silence/kick the moderates into the gutter to keep playing their zero sum game while also acting the victim constantly.

The ones at the table will be given an inch and then try to take a mile and feign victimhood when Israel levels another town where attacks came form.

No it's not a huge problem because it's not true.

Anytime there's a UN resolution, it's to stop Israeli attacks, not to discuss how Israel should be dissolved. The ones that want Israel gone have no plan and no diplomatic support. Move the 5 million Jews back to Europe isn't a plan that anyone takes seriously. Stop the illegal settlements and the occupation IS something that everyone takes seriously.
 
Those concentration camps with McDonald's, shopping malls and swimming pools. Where the population doubles in 30 years. Such a good comparison if you have no idea wtf you talking about or never been there.

Jews tried to make peace several times and Arabs want nothing less than Israel's destruction. If the power was reversed so you think the Arabs would be so restrained?


typical zionist bs. Those camps have a horrible standard of living and you know it. And how could the palis not accpet a peace deal they were not allowed to see. crazy.
 
typical zionist bs. Those camps have a horrible standard of living and you know it. And how could the palis not accpet a peace deal they were not allowed to see. crazy.

Do you think Arabs would be restrained as Israel with the situation reversed?

Do you think Muslims would allow Jews access to their holy sites without prejudice like Israel does for Muslims??


Do you think Muslims would negotiate with patience if it were Mecca in question? You realize Jerusalem is Mecca for Jewish people? If they have no claim to Jerusalem they really have no claim to anything.

Truthfully Israel has been far more patient and restrained than any other county in recent memory considering the power difference and being attacked multiple times and winning every single time. Israel just basically waits for the next invasion.
 
Do you think Arabs would be restrained as Israel with the situation reversed?

Do you think Muslims would allow Jews access to their holy sites without prejudice like Israel does for Muslims??


Do you think Muslims would negotiate with patience if it were Mecca in question? You realize Jerusalem is Mecca for Jewish people? If they have no claim to Jerusalem they really have no claim to anything.

Truthfully Israel has been far more patient and restrained than any other county in recent memory considering the power difference and being attacked multiple times and winning every single time. Israel just basically waits for the next invasion.


Makes sense, since you think arabs would be worse to jew than sure, lets Israel doo whatever tehy want. Let's do Auschwitz II!
 
Makes sense, since you think arabs would be worse to jew than sure, lets Israel doo whatever tehy want. Let's do Auschwitz II!


Concentration camps, Auschwitz..... is all you hot hyperbole and avoiding my questions??

Tacit concession noted. You would make peace and appease people who don't want peace with you. Sounds like good foreign policy.

I don't think, Arabs have continually attacked Israel since its inception. That's a fact.
 
Concentration camps, Auschwitz..... is all you hot hyperbole and avoiding my questions??

Tacit concession noted. You would make peace and appease people who don't want peace with you. Sounds like good foreign policy.

I don't think, Arabs have continually attacked Israel since its inception. That's a fact.


the palis want peace. they have no partner. Israel, backed by the international zionists, will win in the end, push the palsi into other arab countries.

I bitch and complain, but in the end, I'm okay, just a goy.
 
Was that even in the scope of the legislative branch?

Congress' role is to advice the President on foreign matters, which is ultimately his responsibility. The Embassy Act of 1995 say Jerusalem should be recognized and that the future American embassy should be built there by 1999.

Most importantly, it includes the waiver option for the sitting President if he does not want to heed that advice.

But if a President chooses to make that decision, he can be confident that he has full mandate from the representatives of the American people, despite the outrage from the hyper-ventilating media who doesn't even want to talk about the Embassy Act when reporting this new development.

The constitutionality of the Embassy Act has never been challenged, nor does any President ever want to (for good reasons). They all just pay lip service about how much they supports it during the election phase, and then quietly negate on their campaign promises so they can keep the status quo.

That status quo (and the shadowplays behind Jerusalem) is no longer viable, especially now that Hamas and Fatah has put aside their differences to form a unity Palestinian government, as Israeli apartments are popping up all over the West Bank like poison mushrooms after the rain.

It's gonna be painful ripping the bandaid off the illusion, but it's necessary for everyone at the negotiation table to face reality now, once and for all.
 
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Do you think Arabs would be restrained as Israel with the situation reversed?

Do you think Muslims would allow Jews access to their holy sites without prejudice like Israel does for Muslims??


Do you think Muslims would negotiate with patience if it were Mecca in question? You realize Jerusalem is Mecca for Jewish people? If they have no claim to Jerusalem they really have no claim to anything.

Truthfully Israel has been far more patient and restrained than any other county in recent memory considering the power difference and being attacked multiple times and winning every single time. Israel just basically waits for the next invasion.

This entire argument is basically fan fiction, but I'll entertain it.

Let's pretend there was a region of the world full of some of the oldest nations and cultures in the world and they were all Jewish. And let's pretend some, say, South American dictator started murdering a small minority of arabs so much that the whole world went to war over it. Then let's say, after the war, those arabs were transported across the world and given a small plot of land among those established Jewish states that displaced many existing Jews. Let's also pretend that there are no other arab states in the world. Just this one tiny one. Surrounded by powerful Jewish armies. And the arab state's only real allies are pretty far away and kind of hated by most of the Jewish countrues, so there's tons of tension and the arab state knows that if they go to war, they may have to deal with the combined might of several of these Jewish states, many of which are weathy and one of which is nuclear capable.

Oh, and this arab state has something within their borders that the Jews deem holy and want to freely visit, and allowing them that, despite all the other shit going on, helps maintain peace.

...yeah, you're right, it would be SOOO different if the tables were turned because arabs are rabid animals with no sense of self preservation [/sarcasm.]
 
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The ones at the table will be given an inch and then try to take a mile and feign victimhood when Israel levels another town where attacks came form.

Describes the modus operandi of groups of Muslims literally anywhere.

I'm all for Israel expanding its influence and squeezing out horrible ideologies. In the long run it can only be a benefit to the region.
 
No it's not a huge problem because it's not true.

Anytime there's a UN resolution, it's to stop Israeli attacks, not to discuss how Israel should be dissolved. The ones that want Israel gone have no plan and no diplomatic support. Move the 5 million Jews back to Europe isn't a plan that anyone takes seriously. Stop the illegal settlements and the occupation IS something that everyone takes seriously.
You're talking to a guy in me that thinks the UN is useless.. no one takes them seriously, even member states don't take them seriously.

The UN means nothing as they can't enforce anything they decide on.
 
Do you think Arabs would be restrained as Israel with the situation reversed?

Do you think Muslims would allow Jews access to their holy sites without prejudice like Israel does for Muslims??


Do you think Muslims would negotiate with patience if it were Mecca in question? You realize Jerusalem is Mecca for Jewish people? If they have no claim to Jerusalem they really have no claim to anything.

Truthfully Israel has been far more patient and restrained than any other county in recent memory considering the power difference and being attacked multiple times and winning every single time. Israel just basically waits for the next invasion.
 
You're talking to a guy in me that thinks the UN is useless.. no one takes them seriously, even member states don't take them seriously.

The UN means nothing as they can't enforce anything they decide on.

Yes, and it's actions like those of the US/Israel that take away its legitimacy.

But international law is really the only civilized solution to world conflicts. Without it, we have the savagery of the pre-20th century. Countries attack and slaughter the weak (and each other) simply because they want to. This almost got humankind annihilated in WWII so we kinda wised up.
 
Congress' role is to advice the President on foreign matters, which is ultimately his responsibility. The Embassy Act of 1995 say Jerusalem should be recognized and that the future American embassy should be built there by 1999.

Most importantly, it includes the waiver option for the sitting President if he does not want to heed that advice.

But if a President chooses to make that decision, he can be confident that he has full mandate from the representatives of the American people, despite the outrage from the hyper-ventilating media who doesn't even want to talk about the Embassy Act when reporting this new development.

The constitutionality of the Embassy Act has never been challenged, nor does any President ever want to (for good reasons). They all just pay lip service about how much they supports it during the election phase, and then quietly negate on their campaign promises so they can keep the status quo.

That status quo (and the shadowplays behind Jerusalem) is no longer viable, especially now that Hamas and Fatah has put aside their differences to form a unity Palestinian government, as Israeli apartments are popping up all over the West Bank like poison mushrooms after the rain.

It's gonna be painful ripping the bandaid off the illusion, but it's necessary for everyone at the negotiation table to face reality now, once and for all.

I don't think you really answered his question. Does a congressional act, on a state department function, have any bearing on reality?
 
Describes the modus operandi of groups of Muslims literally anywhere.

I'm all for Israel expanding its influence and squeezing out horrible ideologies. In the long run it can only be a benefit to the region.

Are you for Israel extending its influence to the US congress, house, and white house?

That is the question.

Islam may suck, but if you want to vilify them, you should vilify their governments, like Turkey, saudi arabia, and Pakistan who also buy our politicians.
 
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/12/palestinians-ready-sacrifice-jerusalem-171207170900291.html

Palestinians 'ready to sacrifice' for Jerusalem

Bethlehem, occupied West Bank - Hundreds of Palestinians marched through Bethlehem in a "day of rage" protest against Donald Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital, as anger over the controversial decision continues to spread across the occupied Palestinian territories.

Israeli military forces shot tear gas and rubber bullets at Palestinian protesters in Bethlehem on Thursday, and at least seven youths were injured in the clashes, including one small child.

Men, women and children participated in the march, which was among several held in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem, as well as in major cities across the region, throughout the day.

Palestinian leaders also declared a general strike across the Palestinian territories.

"I am seeing people at this protest that never come out to these kinds of demonstration," Rabee Alsos, 32, told Al Jazeera in Bethlehem.

"Jerusalem and al-Aqsa [Mosque] means a lot to everyone here, even the children. This [US] decision is a big mistake."
 
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