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Ding ding ding, we have a winnerHe won the WW belt.
He won the MW belt.
2 division champion.
Ding ding ding, we have a winnerHe won the WW belt.
He won the MW belt.
2 division champion.
Not at all. You don't defend championships in the NFL.
well only took one post to get to the bottom of that ..thread should of been locked and wastlanded after this postHe won the WW belt.
He won the MW belt.
2 division champion.
Nothing against him, but he beat a past prime bisping. Who wasn't even a top 5 fighter. On some level we have to take off the rose coloured glasses and see that win for what It was.
It was a good win and a good performance having been off for 4 years but It certainly shouldn't have been a championship fight.
We all know Bisping was the equivalent of Matt serra when It comes to credibility as a champion.
That said, no hate on him for not staying at middleweight. No reason for him to fight the killers of that divisionn at this stage of his career,
But some championship teams are clearly better than others. So if official champ doesn't mean real champ in the UFC, why would it mean real champ in the NFL? Organizations set their rules for how a champ is determined, and who they say is champ is in fact by definition champ.
You might argue that an organization's championship doesn't mean much, but that's very different than saying their official champ isn't their champ.
No he wasn't.
Like I said, you have to break the connection between "champion" and "best fighter". Lots of times those two correlate with one another, but not always.
That's why Matt Serra was an underdog to GSP in their second fight despite beating him directly AND being the champion.
Bisping was the rightful champion (and deserves respect for what he did accomplish). But he was *very* clearly not the best fighter in the division.
No he wasn't.
Like I said, you have to break the connection between "champion" and "best fighter". Lots of times those two correlate with one another, but not always.
That's why Matt Serra was an underdog to GSP in their second fight despite beating him directly AND being the champion.
Bisping was the rightful champion (and deserves respect for what he did accomplish). But he was *very* clearly not the best fighter in the division.
Thread title aside, what exactly was wrong about anything In my actual post?
That's the point...Gsp doesn't beat goats, he is one
Nothing against him, but he beat a past prime bisping. Who wasn't even a top 5 fighter. On some level we have to take off the rose coloured glasses and see that win for what It was.
It was a good win and a good performance having been off for 4 years but It certainly shouldn't have been a championship fight.
We all know Bisping was the equivalent of Matt serra when It comes to credibility as a champion.
That said, no hate on him for not staying at middleweight. No reason for him to fight the killers of that divisionn at this stage of his career,
Like I said, he's the equivalent of Matt serra In terms of legitimacy as a champion. That's the reality.You can dispute "strength of schedule", particularly the MW. But he was the man in two weight divisions before he beat the men (WHOOOOO!).
Are you going to take away Bisping's credential as a former champion because he beat a guy that should've known better? I guess Buster Douglas didn't win against Mike Tyson either huh?
Compared to Conor who beat verified GOATS to get his?
He announced he doesn't want to come back to MW today.
He will never be considered a 2 division champ in my eyes.....Whitaker was the champ the second he beat Jacare and Romero......
Calling GSP a 2 division champ cheapens the accomplishment.....
Bisping sat on the belt for 518 days (17 months) without ever defending against a top MW. Thats enough time for 4 of 5 fights. Meanwhile, Whitaker beat Jacare and Romero. Whitakers belt is the real one.
Like I said, he's the equivalent of Matt serra In terms of legitimacy as a champion. That's the reality.
What you said Isn't necessarily untrue but I think we need to be a little objective here.
I am a big fan of Conor but at least GSP defended his belt. Numerous times at that.I'm a GSP fan but let's be honest here.
But he only came back when a obviously easy matchup was there, who by all accounts is barely a top 5 MW.
Say what you want about Conor, or him beating Eddie Alvarez, but atleast he signed to fight RDA too, and would have clearly fought any LW for that Belt. Does anyone see GSP challenging anyone but Bisping?
Everyone knows that.I am a big fan of Conor but at least GSP defended his belt. Numerous times at that.
Wow, very well said and likes all deservedHe won the WW belt.
He won the MW belt.
2 division champion.
He won the WW belt.
He won the MW belt.
2 division champion.