WCW’s biggest f--- up

you have to be the most reckless and ungrateful promoter in the world to fuck up with stars like Hogan, Nash, Hall, Macho Man, Steiners, DDP, Goldberg, Flair, Bret, Sting, and Booker T

all that talent and no direction
 
you have to be the most reckless and ungrateful promoter in the world to fuck up with stars like Hogan, Nash, Hall, Macho Man, Steiners, DDP, Goldberg, Flair, Bret, Sting, and Booker T

all that talent and no direction
Not ungrateful. Just a bit inexperienced and ignorant of the business
 
Not using Benoit, Jericho, Eddie, or The Giant, in any useful form.
 
Kidman with the 7 year itch was gold

WCW fucked up a lot of cool stuff
 
He’s had two of the greatest wrestling appearances of all time. Wining the title in wcw and when he was a slammy presenter. He hypes is show then says nevermind you suckers couldn’t afford to go anyways {<jordan}
In general I'm not but I loved the slammies bit too. This wasn't too bad either.
 
Episode 213 of the JCE writes up exactly the time when WCW went to hell. 1988. Afterwards, it's a slow slow death.
 
you have to be the most reckless and ungrateful promoter in the world to fuck up with stars like Hogan, Nash, Hall, Macho Man, Steiners, DDP, Goldberg, Flair, Bret, Sting, and Booker T

all that talent and no direction

Hmm. But they were old. WCW had a goldmine of younger dudes...

The younger talent was fucked by NWO - Benoit, Guerrero, Jericho. Even Goldberg got fucked by the politics.

But this was a corpse anyway once it left the SE, MW.
 
Dude, they were beating Vince in the ratings for two years. If that was chemo, then what was WWF st the time? Necrophilia?

They got a double shot of metamphetamine to a terminal cancer patient. Sure he can dance and jig for a while but he’s dead.

Hotshot the territory and killed it completely.

Promotion was unsubstainable once it left its roots - in 1988. The rest is a slow death. Vince had an unshakable healthy core business even while he was being fucked every which way by the Turner cheque book. WCw has nothing apart from the Turner cheque book keeping it alive - walking dead.
 
Like you said, Eric got a blank cheque and he could give Vince a run for his money, making Vince a billionaire and killing WCW finally. WCW was dead in expansion form nonetheless.

A core WCW in the SE, MW might have survived in 1994 and still be around this day in the same way as ROH. But not across the US and the world.

TNA is around longer than WCW...
 
- Giving out guarunteed money:
This attracted the old, and the lazy brothers. Why would you put on good matches when you're getting paid the same, regardless of whether people turn up or not?

- Ignoring PPV.
You got Hogan vs. Goldberg, for the first time ever, in the Georgia Dome, and it's for the title? Give that shit away for free! Nah, why make money on a supermatch?! That's stupid! They focussed so much on "beating" WWE, they gave their shit away for free. Had they have saved these matches for PPV, they'd have made money hand over fist.

- Paying Vince Russo more than the wrestlers.
Hall and Nash had a favoured nations, in the last year of WCW, Hall made $2.75 Million. Vince Russo apparently made $3 Million. What did they get for that $3 Million? Judy Bagwell on a pole, and "New York Street Rules" Wrestling.
 
I still think it’s turner giving a blank checkbook to a guy who didn’t know how to run a wrestling company and lets the talent have unchecked “creative control”. I think it all leads back to that actually

You talking about The Pizza Guy?
 
Creatively: Not bringing the nWo to a logical conclusion in a War Games or similar match that brought the top WCW aligned guys (something like Goldberg, DDP, Steiners and the finally returned Sting) together, defeating the nWo and causing it to implode.

Business-wise: Wasteful spending (including inflated contracts and poorly thought out cross promotion) and concentration on hurting WWE over protecting themselves (ratings reports, etc.)

Short answer: Hogan. They wouldn't have gotten into Ted's checkbook without him but, if they could have gotten him to not be Hogan at a certain point...
 
It would probably be easier just to name things WCW did right post-1997, than to try and pinpoint which one of their plethora of mistakes buried the company.
 
Creatively: Not bringing the nWo to a logical conclusion in a War Games or similar match that brought the top WCW aligned guys (something like Goldberg, DDP, Steiners and the finally returned Sting) together, defeating the nWo and causing it to implode.

Business-wise: Wasteful spending (including inflated contracts and poorly thought out cross promotion) and concentration on hurting WWE over protecting themselves (ratings reports, etc.)

Short answer: Hogan. They wouldn't have gotten into Ted's checkbook without him but, if they could have gotten him to not be Hogan at a certain point...
Hogan was a double-edged sword. The Hollywood Hogan character was one of the best heels in the business and made the company a lot of money. But once the character grew stale, you'd stil be stuck with a Hogan that had creative control and not doing business even if it was best for the company.
 
People bring up the Starrcade 97 debacle but 98 was actually their best year in terms of business. Everyone around me just started losing interest in WCW around early 99 so I'll blame the Fingerpoke.
 

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