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GGG won that fight, hands down.
This rematch is thanks to very incompetent judges
(Not complaining)
This rematch is thanks to very incompetent judges
(Not complaining)
GGG realizes Canelo's power was only serious when he was fighting smaller guys and walks right through him.
Because like PUO3 pointed out, their trajectories are different. Canelo keeps improving, GGG stays the same at this point. No number of days/months/years at this point will ever add enough dimension or make GGG a good enough boxer to outsmart and control Canelo, only his conditioning and workrate kept him in the fight last time out, and Canelo only has one thing to work on, and thats conditioning and carrying the extra weight. He will be the ready by May. He dominated a draw last time, he makes GGG his toy 2nd time out.Stamina is always an issue for Canelo. Why would that change now?
They'd be giving away money by putting it in NYC, and no one on either team wants that.
@wilddeuces I liked your write up but I think its curious that you say Golovkin can improve but Canelo cant. That hasnt really been the trajectory theyre currently on. Its pretty clearly the other way around imo. Canelo has showed different levels to his game in every outing. Golovkin looks the same (not a knock on him, hes awesome).
If Canelo can ever keep that pace Golovkin doesnt have much for him.
Because like PUO3 pointed out, their trajectories are different. Canelo keeps improving, GGG stays the same at this point. No number of days/months/years at this point will ever add enough dimension or make GGG a good enough boxer to outsmart and control Canelo, only his conditioning and workrate kept him in the fight last time out, and Canelo only has one thing to work on, and thats conditioning and carrying the extra weight. He will be the ready by May. He dominated a draw last time, he makes GGG his toy 2nd time out.
Yeah I think nerves really got to him in that fight. I've never seen him looking so edgy as he was in the build up to that fight. It took him quite a few rounds to loosen up and get himself into the fight. That won't be the case second time around.GGG wins even wider this time.He will be used to the build up and adrenaline of the first fight. TBH he looked really tense at the beginning of the first fight and it took him a couple rounds to zone in and do what he usually does, this time he will take control early.
Quality write ups even if my opinion differs.When I say improvement, I mean adjustments in their gameplans and how they fight. A 35-36 year old won't be something new suddenly. Still, I firmly believe that GGG has the more room to improve in the ring in terms of how he attacks. Canelo, for his own part, can't really change much and asking him to do more of something will be difficult because when GGG is patient and jabbing, he doesn't let his opponent get any traction (hence the significant chunk of the fight in the middle book-ended by the first and last three rounds). Canelo will want to exchange with Golovkin, but can't do that all night, and he will have to take breaks. Every time he takes breaks he loses the rounds. He simply can't do more, he can just be as good as he has already been. He may take more risks and mix it up more, but those things can only happen if he can get past GGG's jab. Canelo took zero risks when GGG was jabbing because he had no way of getting away with an attack because of the Golovkin counter. When he was able to walk inside (look at round 10), then he could get some work done. GGG is slower.
Canelo won't be able to increase his pace, that's the nature of him as a fighter. It always has been. His fast-twich movements and large build will always put a demand on his system. His stamina means he fights in spurts and doesn't put forth much of a sustained effort. That's just his build and body. GGG fights in a more sustained, slow burn, sort of manner.
Notice Canelo only outlanded GGG by 4 power punches (and I saw at least two that Compubox counted that were clear misses, but that's another story). If GGG jabs and then throws to the body, with his right or left uppercut and right uppercut, he can bank more power punches. When he did that, he was being more effective. It was the first three and a last three where his jab was more sporadic and when he was losing rounds more clearly (though not necessarily decisively, it was a good fight).
This is what I mean by more room for improvement. GGG just needs to adjust where he throws and mix up his punch selection (we know that he has shown an ability to do that), and he needs to be more sustained with his jab. Canelo will lose a close decision if that happens because his success came largely when GGG was not jabbing.
We also need to accept that Canelo was used to that kind of fight hype and atmosphere. He walked around the whole time leading up to and during the fight as though he belonged. GGG seemed a bit distracted and absorbed in this atmosphere.
Lastly, and I really saw this by round 3 to 4. Golovkin started to see Canelo's punches better and settled into the fight. His eyes adjusted and that's something that takes a bit if it is new. Canelo was always seeing GGG's punches. Going into the rematch, GGG's eyes won't be taking all that time to adjust again.
This is why I feel that the rematch offers some interesting points. I don't think GGG is a shoe-in to win. In fact, I think the fight is closer than it was the first time. One day GGG's chin might even say "enough's enough." He is 35 going on 36 and I've said this before: a pressure fighter fades earlier in life than a pure boxer. GGG is on borrowed time. A pressure fighter's peak fades after early thirties.
So I can't argue it clearly for one guy or the other, but I do feel that GGG has the more room to improve in how he attacks Canelo. Canelo will offer no surprises, he will just be damn good.
Sorry for the rant lol.
This is a fair and good point.Yeah I think nerves really got to him in that fight. I've never seen him looking so edgy as he was in the build up to that fight. It took him quite a few rounds to loosen up and get himself into the fight. That won't be the case second time around.
The shit they were landing on each other and just eating for lunch blew my mind lol.That same punch had hurt a lot of other middleweights. GGG has real power, but Canelo can take a real punch too. Those concerns are gone.
Yeah I think nerves really got to him in that fight. I've never seen him looking so edgy as he was in the build up to that fight. It took him quite a few rounds to loosen up and get himself into the fight. That won't be the case second time around.
Got itCould a mod put a poll??
I got GGG
I did not see a thread on this. Canelo agreed to rematch on Cinco de Mayo.
https://www.si.com/boxing/2018/01/11/canelo-alvarez-agrees-may-5-rematch-gennady-golovkin
Got it