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lmao well i guess that's that then. although, didn't he do this to japan too? and still ended up murking that tenshin kid? (in an obvious work)

michael morales and him would be a slugfest for as long as it lasts. few welterweights naturally hit as hard as khaos but morales can fucking crack.

he also beat moorer and bowe. and losses matter a lot less than wins. i'll take a guy with 15 losses who beat 10 all time greats over a guy with no losses who beat one.

exactly. and again, i'm not saying you have to blame usyk specifically for that. of course not. it's just the unfortunate nature of the HW division at the moment. there's not a lot of great fighters to fight.

they literally bribe their way to a ranking. it's been documented time and time again.

holyfield beat more world champs. he beat and/or drew with the best of the best. bowe, tyson, mercer, foreman, rahman, lewis, douglas, cooper, moorer, holmes. there aren't even that many champs and title challengers for usyk to possibly fight let alone beat. he literally can never catch up lol

winner of fakhretdinov/dalby?

holyfield just by default has more than double the fights and double the wins at the top of his divisions. you would have to assume usyk is going to fight 22 more times and beat even more world champs to even sniff holyfield. longevity matters. that's not even counting the sheer number of world...

joshua and fury are really good wins. i'd say so is breidis at CW. then what? that's 3 big wins lol you think murat gassiev and tony bellew are all time greats or something?

wlad dominated HW for so long, and i favor him over usyk head-to-head so i still have wlad ahead at the moment.

because he hasn't beaten many all time greats. that's precisely what makes you an all time great. there are a dozen plus guys who absolutely dominated for over a decade that we don't put in a top 20 ATG discussion just because they were unfortunately in that division/those divisions at a bad...

"probably a top 5 cruiserweight" he's either 1 or 2 honestly. him and evander stood far and away as the best in the two most stacked cruiserweight divisions. usyk's was deeper imo, but usyk never beat anyone as good as qawi. so its a toss up usyk's résumé is nowhere near top 10 ATG status. i'd...

i can't confidently pick more than a handful as a sure thing "this guy would definitely beat usyk" but i think the depth of that 90's HW talent pool would be impossible to come out of unscathed. sooooo many wily veterans just in the top 20-30 who could give the ATG's a run for their money on any...

or every julian jackson fight lol to be fair, i recall usyk's shorts against dubois being unbelievably high

as much as i love wilder, i don't see him beating someone like zhang at the moment. maybe daniel dubois? or kabayel, the guy who just mugged sanchez? i much prefer the idea of shoving him into the fight he doesn't deserve, just because it'd be a unique type of fighter that usyk has never faced.

no matter how you scored it, the fact remains that we need usyk vs. wilder next. no, wilder doesn't deserve it & no, usyk wouldn't want it. but for my entertainment, as a massive fan of wilder, it needs to happen.

other sports as well. heavyweight boxers were millionaires in the 70's. an nba/nfl contract back then was like $100K a year

fury began to fall and the ropes held him up. that's a mandatory 8 count.

i remember thinking fury had a 10-8 on his hands in one of the rounds until usyk landed a few punches with like 30 seconds left to get some respect back. fury was fucking usyk up bad at one point.

i think if fury would have let his hands go a bit earlier, and kept up that sustained body attack (it was working amazing), he could be the undisputed champ right now. maybe he got tired, but he definitely got lazy and let usyk find his confidence and second wind, because fury had basically...