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For being someone who was no good, it must make you feel a bit down to know Hoost knocked cold your GOAT, Changpuek. How do you reconcile that? How do you come to the conclusion that smaller kickboxers have always been best, but have Changpuek as the greatest ever? That dude wasn't fighting...

Fighters below heavyweight that don't move up shouldn't be considered. Henry Armstrong, Ray Robinson, Samart, Saenchai... no problems with challenging up in class. Not to Mention Petrosyan is particularly finicky with rules. The greatest concentration of talent in kickboxing history was late...

Post production commentary with English subtitles equals gold; Songchai just shit talks Coban the whole fight.

Anyone know the name of the particularly old and bald fighter who was still going at an all right level about 6 or 7 years ago?

There's nothing controversial about this fight; you're hung up about it just because it's Thai vs Foreigner. If Wilson was Thai you wouldn't care at all about the supposed robbery. Weigh ins are the day of the fight in Thailand...

I've seen a thousand (Thai vs Thai) fights where if one of them was a foreigner there'd be a hundred YouTube comments about how he was robbed. Outsiders only truly get heated when it's the foreigner who is "robbed."

He's not an active fighter anymore. And he's two divisions smaller than Pinca.

I'm not arguing Pinca vs. Bohic. Neither are "great." By your thinking (forget the wins, just look at who they fought) you must regard Maikel Lieuwfat as one of the greatest ever?

I'm saying it's hypocritical of you to nitpick Rafi's record but also claim Pinca is elite because he beat a flyweight who was 15 years past his prime. Pinca's record against good Thais (how they were regarded at the time of the fight) is 1-4 (Saenchai X2, Attachai X2, Kem 2009) and the one win...

This is absolutely an advertisement. Is it not a running joke that ONE is pathetic with their promotion? And what's so special about ONE events relative to stadium cards? Stop pretending these events and fights are better (or even particularly good) just because people yell at you about it.

And there are lots of Thais who are no different. This is the white guy in basketball thing. "He's a real a scrapper and works so hard!" As if the black players don't?

There hasn't been one foreigner in the entire history of the sport that has done what Thais do all the time. This is objective.

This isn't true. Few foreigners bear the grind of living as a fighter, and a grand total of zero have done so while having the pressures of being elite at a premier weight.

Such as? I'm not sure I've seen a great MT fight outside of the Thai Circuit. There's a bias to anything that has pre fight video packages, ramps, screaming announcers, and other forms of artifice. You'll think what your watching is great even if it's not. I was told Rodtang vs Haggerty 1 was...

Samart is a curmudgeon with a "it was better in my day" attitude. https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCeKzVb2vff_pRr1tdyHP9uw https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC7nYaIZTYYgqECTbRaXFA4A Watch fights from the 70's and 80's and you'll see the structure of the fights were largely the same as they are today...

If contracts were given out to the deserving, ONE would have about 1 non Thai to every 20 Thais.

But did it change the world?

Was Yupang a good amateur? If he's just a guy with a record then I would expect Prajantchai to win.

In that other thread you said Pinca is/was elite (no he isn't/wasn't) in part because he beat a version of Kaensak who was 15-20 years past his prime and obviously much smaller than Pinca.

1. Fujiwara 2. Bill 3. Dekkers 4. Umeno 5. Bohic I think it's trivial though.