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No titles really mean much of anything once you get to those weight classes. A title can mean nothing in the context of professional fighting without someone being able to just roll off the coach and win it.

Let try and stick to the point. You seem to think that stadium fighters or title holders are all at least decent. I'm telling you they aren't. And just expecting someone to do well on the basis of being a stadium fighter or titlist is lazy. You have to look at the individual and the context...

These aren't stadium losses, but that isn't really the point. The point is that thais who have stadium titles can quite easily have a losing record against farangs, if the titles they are winning are at the higher weight classes. Those titles just don't mean much.

A raja title means next to nothing if you win it at 160lbs. I already did. Look at Manowan, Songkraw, Lamsongkram, Kaoklai, Yodpayak and others.

The IFMA world championships has been dominated by professional fighters. Does every notable pro compete? No, but many do. Especially if they are from eastern europe.

Basically all the guys who win the A class IFMA divisions are also pro fighters.

Not a remotely accurate description of the fight. Floyd didn't move forward that much and there was no brawl. Mayweather just kicked his ass after the 2nd round.

The best foreigners don't even compete in the IFMAs.

You can't just group together "thais from the stadiums" or "stadium champions" and treat them all the same. Guys like Lam, Songkraw and Manowan are a million miles away from guys like Kaonar or Singdam. I expect the latter to do well internationally the former can just as easily lose as win.

This suggests otherwise.

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Anyone just making references to a Lamsongkram's "accolades" as a stadium champion is just being lazy. People on this forum still don't seem to realise or care that being a "stadium fighter", "stadium ranker" or "stadium champion" or "thai fighter" is not a universal mark of quality. Being a...

Not a very good fighter. Similar to guys who fought around the same time and weight like Kaoklai or Nonsai or Diesellek or Chaowalit. Fought in highest and weakest weight class in muay thai, so they're always the first to get international opportunities. That's really the only reason anyone...

I assume they mean most eye catching as opposed to most meaningful wins. In no particular order: JMM, Canelo, Corrales, Hernandez, Gatti, Castillo II and Mosley.

I think Dave Jacobs trained Leonard, mostly.

Hopkins, probably. He could just move, potshot and smother. Take away most of Canelo's counter punching opportunities.

Second to Pac. It's baffling to me that he isn't the universally recognised p4p #1. His win over GGG alone is much better than any name that Crawford, Inoue, Loma, Usyk or whoever else is in the discussion have.

People put too much stock into titles or being the #1, even if you're a flash in the pan. Cerrone's resume is better than quite a few former title holders, including at lightweight. Renan Barao was once universally recognised as the best fighter in his division, if not the world. It ain't all...