170 and 185 PFL Quarter and Semi Finals | Two Fights In One Night: Oct 20th

Ray Cooper gets to beat the shit out of Jake Shields again. How wonderful.
 
I hate the first rd deciding the fight if it goes to a decision
 
podsox said:
I hate the first rd deciding the fight if it goes to a decision
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yeah I'm still split on it, there hasn't been many issues so far, I mean, you go all out in the first you pretty much win the fight.
The only fights that have been dubious I recall are Harrison/Popo and Sean O'Connell.
I thought Popo edged out Andre in the first round (but I'm biased), and Sean OC managed a 10-8 round in the second frame which was a bit iffy.
Glad he got through but iffy.

Really looking forward to the WW matchups, but MW I see a lot of decisions, maybe not even one stoppage all night

I'll be bummed if Cooper vs Story doesn't happen
 
HughPhug said:
yeah I'm still split on it, there hasn't been many issues so far, I mean, you go all out in the first you pretty much win the fight.
The only fights that have been dubious I recall are Harrison/Popo and Sean O'Connell.
I thought Popo edged out Andre in the first round (but I'm biased), and Sean OC managed a 10-8 round in the second frame which was a bit iffy.
Glad he got through but iffy.

Really looking forward to the WW matchups, but MW I see a lot of decisions, maybe not even one stoppage all night

I'll be bummed if Cooper vs Story doesn't happen
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Since they're having 4 + 4 tournament fights (quarters) on the same card. Plus 4 more (semis). And they did the same thing with the other divisions. I think they could have structured it in a way that they had just one fight for the night each, but only half as many fighters per division. Basically split up the matchups across two cards. I think it would be possible if they just did the math and shifted things around accordingly.

So instead of 2 divisions, we could get quarters from 3 divisions a card (then do it twice for the other half). And there's a total of 6 divisions anyways.
 
Sakuraba7 said:
Since they're having 4 + 4 tournament fights (quarters) on the same card. Plus 4 more (semis). And they did the same thing with the other divisions. I think they could have structured it in a way that they had just one fight for the night each, but only half as many fighters per division. Basically split up the matchups across two cards. I think it would be possible if they just did the math and shifted things around accordingly.

So instead of 2 divisions, we could get quarters from 3 divisions a card (then do it twice for the other half). And there's a total of 6 divisions anyways.
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I think a lot of people have been interested in the fighters fighting twice in one night. I don't think they should take that away.
 
HughPhug said:
yeah I'm still split on it, there hasn't been many issues so far, I mean, you go all out in the first you pretty much win the fight.
The only fights that have been dubious I recall are Harrison/Popo and Sean O'Connell.
I thought Popo edged out Andre in the first round (but I'm biased), and Sean OC managed a 10-8 round in the second frame which was a bit iffy.
Glad he got through but iffy.

Really looking forward to the WW matchups, but MW I see a lot of decisions, maybe not even one stoppage all night

I'll be bummed if Cooper vs Story doesn't happen
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Ya It just seems like guys win the first rd and then conserve energy in the 2nd. I’d prefer they just judge the pride route for 2 rd fights
 
tasticles said:
Shields used to be so difficult to hit. What happened to him?
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Some of his strength and reflexes went out the window, I think. Jake Shields is pushing 40 now so I guess his last fight with Cooper was pretty much his official "got old" fight and he was well overdue for it.

I doubt Cooper would have been able to defeat "Rockstar Energy Shorts Jake Shields" that easily, if at all. The dude survived an H-Bomb and dominated Dan Henderson. Trust me, he no back.
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Looking forward to this next round for the WWs and MWs.
 
Danespina said:
I think a lot of people have been interested in the fighters fighting twice in one night. I don't think they should take that away.
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Well there's clearly some major issues with it.

podsox said:
Ya It just seems like guys win the first rd and then conserve energy in the 2nd. I’d prefer they just judge the pride route for 2 rd fights
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And this is where the issues is. Since it's the US, I assume 10-point must system becomes mandatory. If they had PRIDE style judging, there wouldn't be an issue.
 
Sakuraba7 said:
Well there's clearly some major issues with it.



And this is where the issues is. Since it's the US, I assume 10-point must system becomes mandatory. If they had PRIDE style judging, there wouldn't be an issue.
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It's strange because Pride rules pretty much came into play in the O'Connell/Spohn fight.
Spohn easily won the first, Sean the second, but never a 10-8 by today's judging standards.
BUT, with Pride rules, Sean walks away with the win no question, which he did, so all was rosey
 
HughPhug said:
It's strange because Pride rules pretty much came into play in the O'Connell/Spohn fight.
Spohn easily won the first, Sean the second, but never a 10-8 by today's judging standards.
BUT, with Pride rules, Sean walks away with the win no question, which he did, so all was rosey
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I hadn't watched that card, but you're saying that Sean won a 10-8 in the second even though he technically didn't deserve it?
 
Sakuraba7 said:
Well there's clearly some major issues with it.
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I disagree there's been major issues. It's been fun so far. I think the format will most shine this saturday with the fighters on that card.
 
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Sakuraba7 said:
I hadn't watched that card, but you're saying that Sean won a 10-8 in the second even though he technically didn't deserve it?
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Basically, he lost the first round and needed a 10-8 or stoppage to go through. Second round he dropped Spohn and beat up on him and then tried a guilotine right at the end. Dominant round for sure but you can guarantee if it had been any regular UFC fight it would be a 10-9 round only as judges just don't give them out. But over the whole two rounds he definitely deserved the nod.
If judges were more willing to give 10-8's then this would be a good example, but you have to virtually kill a man to get a 10-8!
 
HughPhug said:
Basically, he lost the first round and needed a 10-8 or stoppage to go through. Second round he dropped Spohn and beat up on him and then tried a guilotine right at the end. Dominant round for sure but you can guarantee if it had been any regular UFC fight it would be a 10-9 round only as judges just don't give them out. But over the whole two rounds he definitely deserved the nod.
If judges were more willing to give 10-8's then this would be a good example, but you have to virtually kill a man to get a 10-8!
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But they changed the rules at the end of last year, a lot of states now do give out 10-8 and supposed to 10-7s as well. It depends whether the state adopted the new rules tho.
 
Sakuraba7 said:
But they changed the rules at the end of last year, a lot of states now do give out 10-8 and supposed to 10-7s as well. It depends whether the state adopted the new rules tho.
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Yeah I appreciate that, but it still doesn't happen as often as it should, in fact it is till pretty rare

I'm glad he won and I don't care how he did it, just funny that it ended up looking like old Pride judging the way he got through
 
HughPhug said:
Yep, 2 round 1/4 finals and 3 round semis

And so far most have looked pretty good getting through both fights, no real stinkers and people gassing
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Looks like PFL is the most underrated and overlooked promotion today, got to check it out.
 
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