170 is the one division where the UFC champ might not be the best fighter

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  1. Defeat Unknown

    Defeat Unknown Red Belt

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    I think MMA relies a lot on opportunity.

    I think there's a lot of guys sitting at the bottom of the top 10 right now that could be champions tomorrow if they just got that opportunity of a big fight.
     
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    Of course, but getting a title-shot and earning the #1 Contender spot is also about consistency, which is the hardest thing to achieve in MMA. Winstreaks and shit. Being always on-point on fight day, etc.

    That's what seperates a guy who can beat the champion on a good day vs a guy who can beat 6 guys in a row, beat the champ, and defend the title twice in a year.
     
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  3. SuperNerd

    SuperNerd Off-Season Mode.

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    I don't think so either. I don't think GSP is afraid of Woodley either. Woodley offers GSP nothing, it's that simple. Tyron showed expressed similar feelings when talking about smaller draws then himself. Suggesting GSP is afraid of Woodley is cheap, unfair and dishonest.
     
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  4. CoffeeAndBeer

    CoffeeAndBeer OG from 1993

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    Women's Flyweight

    Valentina Shevchenko
    Jennifer Maia
    Alexis Davis
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    Nicco Montano = UFC Champ

    With lots of questionable fights:
    Adriana Lipski
    Liz Carmouche
    Ilima-Lei Macfarlane
    Andrea Lee
    Sjara Eubanks
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    Maybe you're right, you probably are. I don't think being "scared" is a common trait in MMA, but it's a business after all. And GSP fighting Woodley isn't the smartest business move because of the things you mentioned.

    I just brought up GSP because of the irrational hate Woodley gets, when the greatest WW of all time was also known for being in rather "lackluster" fights, or at least some fans perceive them that way.
    Matter of fact, GSP mostly put on clinics. He schooled his opponents. Which is EXACTLY what Woodley did to Maia and Wonderboy. Neither of them is boring, usually. Some fights are.

    Wonderboy was SO shook and tentative that he didn't even try to win the title in the second fight. That's quite something. Woodley's similiar to Assuncao in just shutting his opponents down. Also a little similiar to GSP.
    So I just don't understand the hate. His next fight will be better. Nobody expected a slugfest outta Maia vs Woodley, did we? But it was an important fight to make.
     
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  6. surgeyou1

    surgeyou1 Welcome to the Machida Era...Part Deux

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    Vague? It's literally what happened. He beat him. You can't dispute that.

    Not sure how one win in 2014 makes Rory the best WW in 2018.
     
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  7. Babaganoosh

    Babaganoosh ----Orion's Belt---- Platinum Member

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    Did you mean LW? It’s LW.
     
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  8. MGS

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    Well, I get your point, but it's pretty much that way in every divisions, (other than Mighty Mouse's division, he's the best) Khabib, Ferguson could be champ, while Conor is champ. Garbrand, Cruz could be champ, but it's TJ now. Cain Velasquez could be champ, it's Stipe right now. Jon MF Jones could be champ, but it's Cormier that has the belt. There's always better guy on paper, who's better that night is what counts.
     
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  9. UhHuhSure

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    eh semantics.... fine, he's the people's champ.

    exactly. its amazing how someone can look with promotion and the right opportunities. a fighter that takes on all comers should be given more cred.
     
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    Dana_is_your_GOD Banned Banned

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  11. Bacco

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    The one division?

    HW: Stipe is at great risk with Ngannou, many see the latter as favourite
    LHW: is an eternal awkward situation
    MW: who the fook is the champ these days?
    LW: Khabib is'nt thwe UFC Champ

    Actually WW got one of the most dominant champs
     
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    bambammccoy Red Belt

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    Are you simple? Where did I attempt to dispute who won?

    Because Rory would beat the "best" WW again in 2018.

    Please tell me how Woodley has improved. Seems to me you're just some keyboard MMA expert who is avoiding proving that you don't know what you're talking about.
     
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    I'm not a fan of Woodley, but he'd beat the shit out of Askren.
     
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  14. MMAart

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    With your logic, then the same thing can be said about HW, LHW, MW, FW.

    Really, the only division where the champion is clearly not the best fighter is the LW division, with Conor ducking Ferguson and Khabib.

    Prior to Bisping losing, the MW division also fit this description.
     
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    Bantamweight, Lightweight, Welterweight, Light Heavyweight, Heavyweight, women's strawweight and women's flyweight - all of these are divisions in which the champ might not be better than certain contender(s).
     
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    Joedaman55 Don't be homeless

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    This can by argued for every weight class except DJ’s and Cyborg’s weight class.
     
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    Which shadow? The one that got dominated by Hendricks?
     
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    laleggenda27 Brown Belt

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    First, there's no plausible argument for Ben Askren being the best WW. At this point, Woodley clearly has the best argument for being the best WW.

    Second, a strong argument could be made for either Tony or Khabib being the best LW. Sure, Conor besmirched Eddie. But he also got besmirched by Nate, who's not even a top 5 LW. The "it was at 170" argument holds little merit.

    Third, while I've been saying for quite a while that TJ is one of the best p4p fighters out there, the reality is that he did drop a decision to Cruz not too long ago. That whole TJ/Cruz/Cody triangle still creates some plausible doubt about who's the best BW.
     
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  19. in the liver

    in the liver Robin Black Belt

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    conor has the lightweight belt and has one fight at lightweight. probably gets murdered by 9 of the top 10

    cain might be better than stipe

    de randamie would murk cyborg
     
  20. Krev

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    you can say the same about flyweight, there is a reason the lkittle guy is ducking dillishaw
     

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