20 Years Ago...

Depends on each fighter´s evolution and the fight configuration where he´s evolving in.

Yeah, you are stating the obvious. Just like Tamura trained largely depending on Rings configuration, where he didnt have to deal with GnP. There are many position that just would not be effective if your opponent can punch you in the head.
Im not saying Okami would have the succes Tamura had in Rings. Im saying Okami beat Tamura under the rule set of absolutely any major mma promotion today
 
Munoz 72
Marquardt 74
Okami 72-75 depending on the site.

Not such signficant reach advantage man. Okami's stance, feet positioning, in and out footwork and polished boxing tecnique (although limited tecniques) is what gave him the advantage in the standup game against Munoz or Marquardt. More than the reach advantage that in any case, isnt that significant. If you dont want to recognize him this is on you
puh-lease, Okami is not 72 and you know it. Are u trying to say that him and Munoz have the same reach?

U Seriouz?
 
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puh-lease, while Tamura was fighting @ openweight against HWs, you´re referring to Lombard, heavily undersized, and Marquardt who once fought @ LW and WW. Ridiculous.

Tamura was fighting at openweight under moden rule set....and getting destroyed.

If Lombard or Marquardt (in their prime, not with 19 years old as Marquardt if he ever fought at LW) are undersized, what is Minowaman or Tokoro? lol
 
Yeah, you are stating the obvious. Just like Tamura trained largely depending on Rings configuration, where he didnt have to deal with GnP. There are many position that just would not be effective if your opponent can punch you in the head.
Im not saying Okami would have the succes Tamura had in Rings. Im saying Okami beat Tamura under the rule set of absolutely any major mma promotion today
Okami would have absolutely no success in Rings or Early Pancrase, his transitions were too primitive,lmao, and ground control was hardly rewarded
 
puh-lease, Okami is not 72 and you know it. Are u trying to say that him and Munoz have the sane reach?

U Seriouz?

You know what Im saying. That the reach adantate of Okami over Marquardt or Munoz is not that significant. And I have proved it to you. And I have made an argument about it. If you are interesting the discussion cool, if not its ok- But pleasedo not reply childishly as if you arent able to get the point
 
Okami would have absolutely no success in Rings or Early Pancrase, his transitions were too primitive,lmao, and ground control was hardly rewarded

Ag but...in modern Pancrase, One, UFC, Bellator, M1 and just about any modern mma promotion what? Would Funaki or Tamura beat him under modern mma rule sets? Let alone your early days nostalgia and be honest lol
 
Tamura was fighting at openweight under moden rule set....and getting destroyed.

If Lombard or Marquardt (in their prime, not with 19 years old as Marquardt if he ever fought at LW) are undersized, what is Minowaman or Tokoro? lol
Minowaman or Tokoro were undersized, true, letz keep it real.

But tbh, you´re starting to get ridiculous... You´re saying he was getting destroyed by these HWs? (some of them ATGs)

How many HWs did your hero challenge?

He was about to get destroyed by Steve White...for real...

He was saved by the bell vs Sakurai... Hence Im asking: did u really watch these fights?
 
Ag but...in modern Pancrase, One, UFC, Bellator, M1 and just about any modern mma promotion what? Would Funaki or Tamura beat him under modern mma rule sets? Let alone your early days nostalgia and be honest lol
These orgz are orgz that suit his skillset based on ground control. Had he fought HWs in Pride, a modern org like u said, Okami would have been destroyed. Puh-lease...

Tamura resisted 2 rds in Rings vs arguably the HW GOAT (Nog was arguably in his prime grappling-wise) (with Fedor), and sure was outclassed in the rematch in Pride, but tell me: how long would your Okami have resisted against Nog?
 
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Minowaman or Tokoro were undersized, true, letz keep it real.

But tbh, you´re starting to get ridiculous... You´re saying he was getting destroyed by these HWs? (some of them ATGs)

How many HWs did your hero challenge?

He was about to get destroyed by Steve White...for real...

He was saved by the bell vs Sakurai... Hence Im asking: did u really watch these fights?

Yeah I watched. Okami from 2010 would have dispatched both White and Sakurai, this is what you dont want to admit. Sakurai was a pretty legit fighter by the way, and a Deep champ.

Okami would have get destroyed by those HWs just like Tamura did. The difference is Okami (as a mature fighter, again do not try to rely on his early fights, dont be ridiculous) would have made quick job of Minowa, Tokoro or just about any guy Tamura beat in Pride.

At the same time, guys as prime Marquardt, Munoz, Shields, Belcher or Lombard would most likely dominate any version of Tamura out of the Rings ruleset, under moder mma rulse sets.
 
These orgz are orgz that suit his skillset based on ground control. Had he fought HWs in Pride, a modern org like u said, Okami would have been destroyed. Puh-lease...

Tamura resisted 2 rds in Rings vs arguably the HW GOAT (Nog was arguably in his prime grappling-wise) (with Fedor), and sure was outclassed in the rematch in Pride, but tell me: how long would your Tamura have resisted against Nog?

Okami would get ouclassed by Nog just like Tamua in the rematch. Under restricted rules as far as striking goes Okami could held his own just like he did it in the ground with aces like Dean Lister or Demian Maia
 
You know what Im saying. That the reach adantate of Okami over Marquardt or Munoz is not that significant. And I have proved it to you. And I have made an argument about it. If you are interesting the discussion cool, if not its ok- But pleasedo not reply childishly as if you arent able to get the point
ok Im trying to contest your arguments but if you start these BS personal attacks, just let it go.
 
Okami would get ouclassed by Nog just like Tamua in the rematch. Under restricted rules as far as striking goes Okami could held his own just like he did it in the ground with aces like Dean Lister or Demian Maia
You´re ridiculous tbh...

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Yeah I watched. Okami from 2010 would have dispatched both White and Sakurai, this is what you dont want to admit. Sakurai was a pretty legit fighter by the way, and a Deep champ.

Okami would have get destroyed by those HWs just like Tamura did. The difference is Okami (as a mature fighter, again do not try to rely on his early fights, dont be ridiculous) would have made quick job of Minowa, Tokoro or just about any guy Tamura beat in Pride.

At the same time, guys as prime Marquardt, Munoz, Shields, Belcher or Lombard would most likely dominate any version of Tamura out of the Rings ruleset, under moder mma rulse sets.
doesnt make sense and ridiculous, you´re comparing a fighter who could have evolved realistically and adapted maybe to different fight configuration, to these MWs.. sigh
 
Thats a personal attack.
As you dont have arguments.
Enjoy your nostalgia from hybrd wrestling.
Okami would beat Tamurain a fight under modern mma ruleset, and probably even Tamura would admit it.
was a statement, about Nog vs Okami...sigh..pathetic to believe he would have had a chance

yeah yeah... and Okami would outstrike Tamura, like u said...

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doesnt make sense and ridiculous, you´re comparing a fighter who could have evolved realistically and adapted maybe to different fight configuration, to these MWs.. sigh

well of course if Tamura had born 20 years later and had trained and developed in modern mma gyms adapted to modern fight configuration he would be a different man. But it's absurd to even especulate with that.
The point here is if the skill-set Tamura acquired in the 90's would be effective against a modern evolved mma fighter as Okami, or as Marquardt (in his prime, not his early 20's) or as Lombard (in his prime, not his first years as a pro) under modern mma rule set.
 
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was a statement, about Nog vs Okami...sigh..pathetic to believe he would have had a chance

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I would never give Okami a chance against Big Nog, didnt said that.
I said that he would get destroyed under "open" mma rules just like Tamura did.
In a scenario where Okami could just shot or dive withouth the threat of ending in a bad position and getting pnched into oblivion, he could give some fight just like Tamura did, altough losing. In the Tamura-Nog fight in Rings there were many positions where if punches to the head were allowed in the ground, Nog could have ended the fight just there.

You talk as if Okami were a slouch in the grappling department. A guy who holds one of the best TDD ratios in UFC depite facing ton of elite wrestlers and.has never been even threatened in the ground in like 40 pro fghts facing plenty of bjj black belts inclusing Dean Lister.
Okami, an ADCC Japanese qualificators winner, was very close to pass Demian Maia's guard and also take his back in ADCC back in 2007, although he lost that match by points you are mocking of a guy who hold his own against fuking Maia in a grappling match.
He may not be flashy, but in order to pass the guard like 70 times against UFC competition and take full mount on plenty of them of course you require to be slick in the ground althoug not necessarily a submission wizard. Okami certainly knows what he does in the ground and is a ground and pound especialist who has proven to be so fucking effective even if you dont find it entertaining or enjoyable
 
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was a statement, about Nog vs Okami...sigh..pathetic to believe he would have had a chance

yeah yeah... and Okami would outstrike Tamura, like u said...

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Why do you laugh like that?
You talk as if Tamura was outboxing people left and right lol.
Im sure you would laugh at the idea of Okami outboxing Marquardt (who was coming of KOing guys left and right) or Lombard who is a renowned KO artist. Yet Okami proved you wrong again.
Yeah I think Okami could certainly win a standing fight with Tamura, laugh as much as you want, as if Tamura were a kickboxing ace lol
 
Why do you laugh like that?
You talk as if Tamura was outboxing people left and right lol.
Im sure you would laugh at the idea of Okami outboxing Marquardt (who was coming of KOing guys left and right) or Lombard who is a renowned KO artist. Yet Okami proved you wrong again.
Yeah I think Okami could certainly win a standing fight with Tamura, laugh as much as you want, as if Tamura were a kickboxing ace lol
Hmmm...jus´laughin @ your Okami would be game vs Nog in Rings... Nuthin personal...

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I would never give Okami a chance against Big Nog, didnt said that.
I said that he would get destroyed under "open" mma rules just like Tamura did.
In a scenario where Okami could just shot or dive withouth the threat of ending in a bad position and getting pnched into oblivion, he could give some fight just like Tamura did, altough losing. In the Tamura-Nog fight in Rings there were many positions where if punches to the head were allowed in the ground, Nog could have ended the fight just there.

You talk as if Okami were a slouch in the grappling department. A guy who holds one of the best TDD ratios in UFC depite facing ton of elite wrestlers and.has never been even threatened in the ground in like 40 pro fghts facing plenty of bjj black belts inclusing Dean Lister.
Okami, an ADCC Japanese qualificators winner, was very close to pass Demian Maia's guard and also take his back in ADCC back in 2007, although he lost that match by points you are mocking of a guy who hold his own against fuking Maia in a grappling match.
He may not be flashy, but in order to pass the guard like 70 times against UFC competition and take full mount on plenty of them of course you require to be slick in the ground althoug not necessarily a submission wizard. Okami certainly knows what he does in the ground and is a ground and pound especialist who has proven to be so fucking effective even if you dont find it entertaining or enjoyable
You make me laugh tbh, Okami has historically never fought @ openweight and you keep nutthuggin him.. He was shamelessly matched against undersized dudes, you are impressed coz you dont consider the contexts of the fights, and the fight configuration that favoured a skillset like his...

He had a bureaucratic skillset, limited striking and you keep believing he would outstrike Tamura...

Im not even a Tamura fan...lmao...forget it.
 
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