Elections 2018 Riksdag (Sweden)

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[Goonerview]

So? Why would they vote against their own interests? Its as shocking as when black people vote democrat.
The rest of your post is just paranoia.

Because fuck white people.

"Socialism is the politics of hate"

- Churchill

 

[Deleted member 457759]

Feminism is a product of prosperity & women entering higher education. Feminism definitely doesn't help the total fertility rate (TFR) of a country, but a low TFR cannot be blamed on feminism. A low FTR is the product of, again, prosperity. This phenomenon can be seen worldwide, both today, and in history. I believe a Roman general once said to his fellow Romans 'how can we expect to keep the Roman empire alive if we do not produce a new generation of Romans? Do you expect them to grow on trees?', or words to that effect. I remember seeing that quote somewhere, although I don't know if it's real. So that would be an indication that in ancient times, a low TFR was a problem too.

This paradox is fascinating. The very thing which humans create and hold so dearly to their hearts, is actually the very thing which causes them so much suffering. The cities (which is essentially what civilisation is), have the lowest TFR. And a low TFR, over a long enough period, results in the death of a civilisation. Cities are able to attract rural folk due to wealth (urbanisation), so that makes up for the lack of children born in the cities, but eventually they'll run out of rural folk too.

Whether we want to accept it or not, women WILL, one day, have to return to the home and carry on the traditional child rearing life. If they don't... bye bye humanity.

I think lower birth rates are more a result of prosperity where as paralyzed birth rates are the result of feminism.

 

[ElKarlo]

So? Why would they vote against their own interests? Its as shocking as when black people vote democrat.
The rest of your post is just paranoia.

So people come to Sweden as immigrants and vote for a party that is basically pulling Sweden down. Yet to say that it is wrong to vote against the interests of the host nation is not ok?
Also how is keeping Sweden from being a crap hole against their interests?

 

[Prutfis]

This is what happens when you give women the vote. Women are naturally solipsistic and will vote for social welfare.

Sherdogs expert on women ladies and gentlemen. The amount of whiney bitchass crying about women, gays, trannies, the left and blah fucking blah that you do, is probably one of the reasons you don´t get laid. Why don´t you fucking grow a pair and stop acting like a 12 year old girl. Women are not the problem, you are.

 

[jimmas99]

So people come to Sweden as immigrants and vote for a party that is basically pulling Sweden down. Yet to say that it is wrong to vote against the interests of the host nation is not ok?
Also how is keeping Sweden from being a crap hole against their interests?

https://sweden.se/business/how-sweden-created-a-model-economy/

 

[Son of Jamin]

https://sweden.se/business/how-sweden-created-a-model-economy/

From your link:

The Swedish economy is performing well in comparison with other Western nations. Before, the country’s economy was sometimes dismissed as ‘socialist’, but now it is held up as an example of capitalism done right. How does Sweden do it?

That is just hogwash!

The above is a chart over the Gross Domestic Product Per Capita!

* Sweden has some of the worst pensions in Europe according to Eurostat.
* Sweden has dropped significantly in rankings for the richest countries since the 70's, from fourth place to 12th.

It was in the 70's when the socialists expanded the nanny state and it wasn't the socialists that laid the foundation for Sweden's wealth. It was a combination of many contributing factors:

* Liberal reforms in the mid 1850's by the finance minister J A Gripenstedt
* The entrepreneurial spirits of Lars Magnus Ericsson, Gustaf de Laval, Hjalmar Lundbohm, Rausing, Kamprad, Sven Winquist.
* 50% of Sweden's industrial production and the main portion of exports come from major companies that were created between 1870-1920 (before the socialists).
* When the socialists became more powerful (in 1933), they began to create more trade barriers, raised taxes, which began a deterioration of Sweden's economy.
*

 

[sweede]

All 349 seats up for grabs, looks like it'll be hotly contested.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...on-gains-as-sweden-swings-right-idUSKCN1LO0V6

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Swedes vote on Sunday in a tight election dominated by fears over asylum and welfare, with the populist, anti-immigration Sweden Democrats vying to become the biggest party in a country long seen as a bastion of economic stability and liberal values.

Far-right parties have made spectacular gains throughout Europe in recent years following a refugee crisis sparked by civil war in Syria and ongoing conflicts in Afghanistan and parts of Africa.

In Sweden, the influx of 163,000 asylum seekers in 2015 has polarized voters, fractured the cozy political consensus and could give the Sweden Democrats, a party with roots in the neo-Nazi fringe, a veto over which parties form the next government.

“Traditional parties have failed to respond to the sense of discontent that exists,” Magnus Blomgren, a social scientist at Umea University.

“That discontent maybe isn’t directly related to unemployment or the economy, but simply a loss of faith in the political system. Sweden isn’t alone in this.”

The center-left bloc, uniting the minority governing Social Democrat and Green parties with the Left Party, is backed by about 40 percent of voters, recent opinion polls indicate, with a slim lead over the center-right Alliance bloc.

The Sweden Democrats, who want the country to leave the European Union and put a freeze on immigration, have about 17 percent, up from the 13 percent they scored in the 2014 vote, opinion polls suggest.

But their support was widely underestimated before the last election and some online surveys give them as much as 25 percent, a result that would likely make them the biggest party, dethroning the Social Democrats for the first time in a century.

Any predictions for how this goes?

@Son of Jamin
@Squarechoke
@sweede
@jimmas99

The winds of populist xenophobia has been ravageing Europe for a while as most of you outside of it has noticed. The days like when Austria some 2 decades ago got their first right wing party in their government and the EUs reaction to it was with boycott and sanctions is a distant past. Sweden, it feels like the last bastion left, honouring openness and the last breath of fighting a movement that got 17% of our citizens votes. As I see it, it is a matter of time until we have to invite them in to the political establishment and start listen to some of their issues.

The problem with our movement to the far right is the background. The dissatisfaction from to high taxes made a way for DF (dansk folkeparti) in Denmark and Fremskrittspartiet in Norway in to power. Finlands Sannfinländarna was created by former members of Finska landsbygdspartiet that had its most important topics based on the people on the countryside.

All them are accepted by the more traditional parties and they are collaborating. All of them are against open boders and indirectly against the EUs policy to open borders, and EU as a whole (although Norway is not a full member). And all of them don´t really want any immigration from muslim countries.

SD is all that, but why doesn´t our left and right want any of it with Sverige Demokraterna? Because of their background. They are the Phoneix of the White-power movement with brown roots. Their ideal world is isolation with no part of EU. They want a monoculture, and assimilation is a rule. To say it shortly. They have an ideology that reminds much of the nazis.

Both Norway and Denmark has been having this cooperation with established traditional parties for 10-15 years and they feel like, when is Sweden going to wake up and see the reality?

If you ask me, I honestly don´t see where chaos other countries describe our daily life is. Maybe the reason to do so, and why many have a lot of interest in us is that we have had it so good for many years. We have been a role-model for many, and when we don´t agree what the majority think of the muslim world, then they will riducle us forever. Maybe you are right, maybe we are devoid of reality, but you will never take my humanity away from me. This makes me a real Swede.

 

[Son of Jamin]

The winds of populist xenophobia has been ravageing Europe for a while as most of you outside of it has noticed. The days like when Austria some 2 decades ago got their first right wing party in their government and the EUs reaction to it was with boycott and sanctions is a distant past. Sweden, it feels like the last bastion left, honouring openness and the last breath of fighting a movement that got 17% of our citizens votes. As I see it, it is a matter of time until we have to invite them in to the political establishment and start listen to some of their issues.

The problem with our movement to the far right is the background. The dissatisfaction from to high taxes made a way for DF (dansk folkeparti) in Denmark and Fremskrittspartiet in Norway in to power. Finlands Sannfinländarna was created by former members of Finska landsbygdspartiet that had its most important topics based on the people on the countryside.

All them are accepted by the more traditional parties and they are collaborating. All of them are against open boders and indirectly against the EUs policy to open borders, and EU as a whole. And all of them don´t really want any immigration from muslim countries.

SD is all that, but why doesn´t our left and right want any of it with Sverige Demokraterna? Because of their background. They are the Phoneix of the White-power movement with brown roots. Their ideal world is isolation with no part of EU. They want a monoculture, and assimilation is a rule. To say it shortly. They have an ideology that reminds much of the nazis.

Both Norway and Denmark has been having this cooperation with established traditional parties for 10-15 years and they feel like, when is Sweden going to wake up and see the reality?

If you ask me, I honestly don´t see where chaos other countries describe our daily life is. Maybe the reason to do so, and why many have a lot of interest in us is that we have had it so good for many years. We have been a raw-model for many, and when we don´t agree what the majority think of the muslim world, then they will riducle us forever. Maybe you are right, maybe we are devoid of reality, but you will never take my humanity away from me. This makes me a real Swede.

Just curious, how do you feel about your party closing the borders for all immigration in the 90's? That is not even something the Swedish Democrats have pushed for?

 

[sweede]

Son of Jamin. I honestly don´t know how 2015 and the flood of refugees could happen. Me as many in Sweden had that urge to do something after seeing all the horrors from Syria. But I could not in my wildest dream believe that we took almost 200 000 new people in that short period. It was madness, and only a party like MP thought it was good and wanted more of it. But they are also totally devoid of reality. How do you make it home for so many in one time? It´s impossible.

I believe in the right to seek asylum, but we can´t handle massimmigration in that scale anymore in the future, and this hard lesson is hopefully learnt from this. While S has been in power when this was happening, I have to point a finger to Fredrik Reinfelt for opening our hearts.

As of the 90s, do you mean when the Jugoslavian war was happening or do you mean something else I´m not aware of?

 

[Son of Jamin]

Son of Jamin. I honestly don´t know how 2015 and the flood of refugees could happen. Me as many in Sweden had that urge to do something after seeing all the horrors from Syria. But I could not in my wildest dream believe that we took almost 200 000 new people in that short period. It was madness, and only a party like MP thought it was good and wanted more of it. But they are also totally devoid of reality. How do you make it home for so many in one time? It´s impossible.

I believe in the right to seek asylum, but we can´t handle massimmigration in that scale anymore in the future, and this hard lesson is hopefully learnt from this. While S has been in power when this was happening, I have to point a finger to Fredrik Reinfelt for opening our hearts.

As of the 90s, do you mean when the Jugoslavian war was happening or do you mean something else I´m not aware of?

I agree and even Goran Persson commented on the likely possibility of Sweden receiving 300,000 new immigrants in the coming four years as frightening and that it can't be done.

Fredrik Reinfeldt is one of the culprits for the chaos that ensued following his deal with the Green Party.

Yes, I thought about the Lucia decision when the social democrats felt that accepting 20-30,000 immigrants were too much and decided only to accept quota refugees. I think it was a wise decision and it's funny that those numbers were frightening back then compared to the numbers today,

 

[sweede]

Some tidbits from the election in Sweden.

* The other day, an Islamist in the Green Party offered 3,000 Muslim votes to the right block if they granted a big mosque to them.
* The Social Democrats have spread lies from their official social media accounts in Arabic and Somali that the right parties are a major threat to Muslims.

Yeah, that was just crazy. You know, I really dislike MP. They have had these scandals latley, first the Kaplan with the links to the extremist in Turkey and then the idiot that didn´t want to shake hands. Some place in me feel like many of the muslim participants are consciously choosing MP for their generous thoughts of massimmigration and not because of their actual agenda, namely that of the environment. Ohh jeez, to much conspiracy from my side.

 

[sweede]

I think many Former Yugoslavic/Russian Swedes will vote SD.

Somalians/Iraqis will be voting left.

This is a sane comment from you. And for your knowledge, it is very true.

 

[sweede]

They are extremely powerful when it comes to getting their policies pushed through by the social democrats. One flagrant example is that the social democrats felt the need to throw them a bone and give 9,000 Afghans a chance to stay and go to high school despite the fact that their application for asylum had been denied.

This was at the same time as the social democrats tried to paint a picture of taking a tougher stand on immigration.

Cough cough, don´t forget Anne Lööf.

 

[Son of Jamin]

Cough cough, don´t forget Anne Lööf.

I have always respected some parts of the Social Democrats, they are not afraid to make the tough decisions when people like Reinfeldt, Lööf, Westerberg, Bildt always shy away.

Reinfeldt's predecessor Bo Lundgren said that Reinfeldt wanted to destroy the welfare state by using mass-immigration as a weapon.

I just wish that the Social Democrats and the Moderates would agree on a stable course regarding immigration and leave the Centrists and Green Party at the door.

 

[sweede]

I have always respected some parts of the Social Democrats, they are not afraid to make the tough decisions when people like Reinfeldt, Lööf, Westerberg, Bildt always shy away.

Reinfeldt's predecessor Bo Lundgren said that Reinfeldt wanted to destroy the welfare state by using mass-immigration as a weapon.

I just wish that the Social Democrats and the Moderates would agree on a stable course regarding immigration and leave the Centrists and Green Party at the door.

My mother know Bo Lundgren from childhood. She said that he was without charisma when he was young, and he was still without when he was prime minister. LOL

The last part you wrote I´m not so sure about. I think it could be a good idea, but i think in the future they would lose votes to extreme parties like V and SD.

 

[Son of Jamin]

My mother know Bo Lundgren from childhood. She said that he was without charisma when he was young, and he was still without when he was prime minister. LOL

The last part you wrote I´m not so sure about. I think it could be a good idea, but i think in the future they would lose votes to extreme parties like V and SD.

LOL!

Yes, he makes Stefan Ingves appear charismatic in comparison.

It's true, it would probably emboldened the more radical parties. I just wish that the two state bearing parties could create some stability and remove the left and SD from influence.

 

[sweede]

LOL!

Yes, he makes Stefan Ingves appear charismatic in comparison.

It's true, it would probably emboldened the more radical parties. I just wish that the two state bearing parties could create some stability and remove the left and SD from influence.

Damn! I so agree with you.

Keep posting!

 

[ElKarlo]

https://sweden.se/business/how-sweden-created-a-model-economy/

A , don't post a link and think that does the argument for you. B, son of j just tore you up. Sweden is coasting on early successes it had. Volvo AB, ikea and all that are from Sweden of old. Current Sweden really isn't doing that much, and it'll become harder as it has to prop up its migrant majority whom will be a net drain as denmark has shown in a recent study

 

[Kindacrazy]

The winds of populist xenophobia has been ravageing Europe for a while as most of you outside of it has noticed. The days like when Austria some 2 decades ago got their first right wing party in their government and the EUs reaction to it was with boycott and sanctions is a distant past. Sweden, it feels like the last bastion left, honouring openness and the last breath of fighting a movement that got 17% of our citizens votes. As I see it, it is a matter of time until we have to invite them in to the political establishment and start listen to some of their issues.

The problem with our movement to the far right is the background. The dissatisfaction from to high taxes made a way for DF (dansk folkeparti) in Denmark and Fremskrittspartiet in Norway in to power. Finlands Sannfinländarna was created by former members of Finska landsbygdspartiet that had its most important topics based on the people on the countryside.

All them are accepted by the more traditional parties and they are collaborating. All of them are against open boders and indirectly against the EUs policy to open borders, and EU as a whole (although Norway is not a full member). And all of them don´t really want any immigration from muslim countries.

SD is all that, but why doesn´t our left and right want any of it with Sverige Demokraterna? Because of their background. They are the Phoneix of the White-power movement with brown roots. Their ideal world is isolation with no part of EU. They want a monoculture, and assimilation is a rule. To say it shortly. They have an ideology that reminds much of the nazis.

Both Norway and Denmark has been having this cooperation with established traditional parties for 10-15 years and they feel like, when is Sweden going to wake up and see the reality?

If you ask me, I honestly don´t see where chaos other countries describe our daily life is. Maybe the reason to do so, and why many have a lot of interest in us is that we have had it so good for many years. We have been a role-model for many, and when we don´t agree what the majority think of the muslim world, then they will riducle us forever. Maybe you are right, maybe we are devoid of reality, but you will never take my humanity away from me. This makes me a real Swede.

No, it makes you an idiot. When you destroy your own society out of compassion it doesn't make things better for the immigrants it just makes things shitty for everyone. People like you don't think in the long term, everything is about satisfying that immediate emotional need. You grew up in a world that made you incredibly soft and ignorant and there are people that are taking advantage of that now. Unless you are 60+ it is very likely that by end of your life you will see your society and nation turn into a Brazil style shithole.