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round them up, drop a smartbomb on the group....
problem solved. Bombs are already paid for, we gotta use em
problem solved. Bombs are already paid for, we gotta use em
International [ISIS Repatriation] Yazidis plead with Canada not to repatriate ISIS members
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They were eager enough to fly their asses there to fight...now that they lost and captured, let Iraq Sharia their asses....
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If you think that's the same. Then go join them.
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Not just one. 10.5 mil to Kaur, and to three more.
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A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian guys
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You eliminate the enemy, that's the objective in a war.
12ga.
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No Germans were way worse. Liquidated whole towns, races, and responsible for 80-100 million who died in WW2. ISIS is small potatoes.
Anyway they can be rehabilitated too like Germans were. Like I said we need a Marshall plan, plurality and justice or this back and forth in Iraq will continue forever in response to injustice.
All these Extrajudicial killings and Kangaroo courts they are doing in Iraq right now is just setting up ISIS part 2.
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That only works if the mentality that victory gives you the right to rape murder and enslave your neighbors that is prevalent in the middle east changes.
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the ME can't be 'rehabbed' like the Germans or Japanese were after WWII
you're forgetting the entire reason that worked, and why the US allowed it to happen. We gave them favorable trade balances, to keep their industrial and economic capacity at full strength after switching from the military products to market based ones, allowing them to dominate the regions as an extension of the US through them owing us.....
Countries in the ME do not have even remotely strong economies, manufacture jack and shit, and utilize foreign immigrant workers that they mistreat horribly to get anything actually done.
It's as good as it's ever going to be
you're forgetting the entire reason that worked, and why the US allowed it to happen. We gave them favorable trade balances, to keep their industrial and economic capacity at full strength after switching from the military products to market based ones, allowing them to dominate the regions as an extension of the US through them owing us.....
Countries in the ME do not have even remotely strong economies, manufacture jack and shit, and utilize foreign immigrant workers that they mistreat horribly to get anything actually done.
It's as good as it's ever going to be
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Canada already paid out millions in tax-payers money to a convicted ISIS member - who was captured and sent to GITMO after killing American soldiers - because apparently "the Canadian government failed to take care of their own citizen".
Just wait and see those European terrorists' family filing lawsuits after their terrorist family members are hanged while their own government does nothing.
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No. And it actually turns out far from the 'disenfranchisement' argument being true, those going off to join ISIS are actually more likely to be well educated and relatively well off.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ecruits-world-bank-study-education-boko-haram
Recruits to Islamic militant groups are likely to be well educated and relatively wealthy, with those aspiring to be suicide bombers among the best off, a study by the World Bank has found.
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Bring them home and take care of them yourselves, Britain...
WASHINGTON — The British government wants the Trump administration to provide assurances that American prosecutors will not seek the death penalty against two British Islamic State suspects who were recently captured in Syria — and is threatening to withhold important evidence about them as leverage, according to officials familiar with the deliberations.
The British are also insisting that the United States promise to prosecute the two men in a civilian court, rather than taking them to the Guantánamo Bay wartime prison, the officials said.
The two men, Alexanda Kotey and El Shafee Elsheikh, are believed to be half of a cell of four British jihadists called the Beatles, who played a central role in torturing and killing Western hostages, including several Americans.
Mr. Kotey and Mr. Elsheikh were the last members of the group still at large until their recent capture in Syria by a Kurdish militia, which is holding them. Recently, the British defense secretary, Gavin Williamson, said his government did not want to take back the two men, who have been stripped of British citizenship, so the United States is expected to eventually take custody of them.
But the Trump administration is holding off on doing so until it figures out how it will handle them, according to several American officials. While the American military has interrogated Mr. Kotey and Mr. Elsheikh for intelligence purposes, it has not yet read them Miranda warnings and re-interviewed them in hopes of eliciting confessions that could be used as courtroom evidence.
Because the captors wore masks around hostages, some of whom survived, some courtroom evidence may consist of witnesses identifying at least one of the men by his voice, according to a former hostage and other people familiar with the F.B.I.’s long-running investigation. The British government has other information about the men’s backgrounds, associations, radicalization, movements and activities that could significantly strengthen that case.
An official at the British Embassy in Washington declined to specifically address questions about Mr. Kotey and Mr. Elsheikh and whether London was seeking restrictions in the case, but said that the British government was working closely with the United States to ensure that justice is served.
“Where there is evidence that crimes have been committed, foreign fighters should be brought to justice in accordance with due legal process, regardless of their nationality,” the official said. “We continue to work extremely closely with the U.S. government on this issue, sharing our views, as we do on a range of national security issues and in the context of our joint determination to tackle international terrorism and combat violent extremism.”
A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment.
Britain has abolished the death penalty and, like many European countries, does not like the American policy of holding people indefinitely at Guantánamo. Its government negotiated with the Bush administration for the return of its citizens who had been taken there in the first few years of the prison operation.
President Trump recently issued an executive order to keep the Guantánamo prison open, although his administration so far has taken no new detainees there. Senator Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican who is a proponent of using wartime detention for terrorism cases, has been pushing theadministration to take Mr. Kotey and Mr. Elsheikh to Guantánamo.
But Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, whom Mr. Trump has tasked with leading a policy review about what to do with newly captured terrorism suspects, does not want the military to take on the headache of holding the men in long-term detention and prosecuting them in the troubled military commissions system, the officials said.
Mr. Mattis’s reluctance, coupled with the British demands, means bringing Mr. Kotey and Mr. Elsheikh to American soil for civilian court prosecution is seen as far more likely. The Justice Department is now trying to decide whether the Southern District of New York or the Eastern District of Virginia would handle the prosecution, the officials said.
Some prosecutors and F.B.I. agents in New York have argued that they should get the case because their area of operations includes Western Europe, and the suspects are Londoners. But their counterparts in Virginia and the F.B.I.’s Washington Field Office have already been handling most of the casework related to the killings of American hostages in Syria, according to an official familiar with the deliberations.
In February 2016, for example, federal prosecutors in Virginia charged the wife of an Islamic State leader in the death of Kayla Mueller, an American, although the United States military transferred her to the Iraqi justice system.
Ms. Mueller was kidnapped in August 2013 and is believed to have been sexually abused by a leader of the Islamic State, which later said she died in an airstrike in early 2015. The British-accented captors tortured prisoners under their control, according to former hostages; Mr. Kotey is suspected of being a particularly brutal one whom the prisoners called George.
The parents of four Americans who were kidnapped by the Islamic State and abused in various ways before their killing — Ms. Mueller and three men who were beheaded, James Foley, Steven Sotloff and Peter Kassig — recently wrote an Op-Ed in The New York Times calling on the United States government to prosecute the suspects in civilian court and not to seek the death penalty.
“We want the world to know that we agree with the longstanding British government position that it would be a mistake to send killers like these to the military prison at Guantánamo Bay, or to seek the death penalty in court,” they wrote.
“Either path would make them martyrs in the eyes of their fanatic, misled comrades in arms — the worst outcome,” they added. “Instead, they should be tried in our fair and open legal system, or in a court of international justice, and then spend the rest of their lives in prison.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/us/politics/britain-death-penalty-isis.html
Britain Presses U.S. to Avoid Death Penalty for ISIS Suspects
By Adam Goldman, Eric Schmitt and Charlie Savage - Feb. 28, 2018
Alexanda Kotey, left, and El Shafee Elsheikh are believed to be half of a cell of British jihadists called the Beatles, who played a central role in torturing and killing Western hostages.
By Adam Goldman, Eric Schmitt and Charlie Savage - Feb. 28, 2018
Alexanda Kotey, left, and El Shafee Elsheikh are believed to be half of a cell of British jihadists called the Beatles, who played a central role in torturing and killing Western hostages.
WASHINGTON — The British government wants the Trump administration to provide assurances that American prosecutors will not seek the death penalty against two British Islamic State suspects who were recently captured in Syria — and is threatening to withhold important evidence about them as leverage, according to officials familiar with the deliberations.
The British are also insisting that the United States promise to prosecute the two men in a civilian court, rather than taking them to the Guantánamo Bay wartime prison, the officials said.
The two men, Alexanda Kotey and El Shafee Elsheikh, are believed to be half of a cell of four British jihadists called the Beatles, who played a central role in torturing and killing Western hostages, including several Americans.
Mr. Kotey and Mr. Elsheikh were the last members of the group still at large until their recent capture in Syria by a Kurdish militia, which is holding them. Recently, the British defense secretary, Gavin Williamson, said his government did not want to take back the two men, who have been stripped of British citizenship, so the United States is expected to eventually take custody of them.
But the Trump administration is holding off on doing so until it figures out how it will handle them, according to several American officials. While the American military has interrogated Mr. Kotey and Mr. Elsheikh for intelligence purposes, it has not yet read them Miranda warnings and re-interviewed them in hopes of eliciting confessions that could be used as courtroom evidence.
Because the captors wore masks around hostages, some of whom survived, some courtroom evidence may consist of witnesses identifying at least one of the men by his voice, according to a former hostage and other people familiar with the F.B.I.’s long-running investigation. The British government has other information about the men’s backgrounds, associations, radicalization, movements and activities that could significantly strengthen that case.
An official at the British Embassy in Washington declined to specifically address questions about Mr. Kotey and Mr. Elsheikh and whether London was seeking restrictions in the case, but said that the British government was working closely with the United States to ensure that justice is served.
“Where there is evidence that crimes have been committed, foreign fighters should be brought to justice in accordance with due legal process, regardless of their nationality,” the official said. “We continue to work extremely closely with the U.S. government on this issue, sharing our views, as we do on a range of national security issues and in the context of our joint determination to tackle international terrorism and combat violent extremism.”
A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment.
Britain has abolished the death penalty and, like many European countries, does not like the American policy of holding people indefinitely at Guantánamo. Its government negotiated with the Bush administration for the return of its citizens who had been taken there in the first few years of the prison operation.
President Trump recently issued an executive order to keep the Guantánamo prison open, although his administration so far has taken no new detainees there. Senator Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican who is a proponent of using wartime detention for terrorism cases, has been pushing theadministration to take Mr. Kotey and Mr. Elsheikh to Guantánamo.
But Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, whom Mr. Trump has tasked with leading a policy review about what to do with newly captured terrorism suspects, does not want the military to take on the headache of holding the men in long-term detention and prosecuting them in the troubled military commissions system, the officials said.
Mr. Mattis’s reluctance, coupled with the British demands, means bringing Mr. Kotey and Mr. Elsheikh to American soil for civilian court prosecution is seen as far more likely. The Justice Department is now trying to decide whether the Southern District of New York or the Eastern District of Virginia would handle the prosecution, the officials said.
Some prosecutors and F.B.I. agents in New York have argued that they should get the case because their area of operations includes Western Europe, and the suspects are Londoners. But their counterparts in Virginia and the F.B.I.’s Washington Field Office have already been handling most of the casework related to the killings of American hostages in Syria, according to an official familiar with the deliberations.
In February 2016, for example, federal prosecutors in Virginia charged the wife of an Islamic State leader in the death of Kayla Mueller, an American, although the United States military transferred her to the Iraqi justice system.
Ms. Mueller was kidnapped in August 2013 and is believed to have been sexually abused by a leader of the Islamic State, which later said she died in an airstrike in early 2015. The British-accented captors tortured prisoners under their control, according to former hostages; Mr. Kotey is suspected of being a particularly brutal one whom the prisoners called George.
The parents of four Americans who were kidnapped by the Islamic State and abused in various ways before their killing — Ms. Mueller and three men who were beheaded, James Foley, Steven Sotloff and Peter Kassig — recently wrote an Op-Ed in The New York Times calling on the United States government to prosecute the suspects in civilian court and not to seek the death penalty.
“We want the world to know that we agree with the longstanding British government position that it would be a mistake to send killers like these to the military prison at Guantánamo Bay, or to seek the death penalty in court,” they wrote.
“Either path would make them martyrs in the eyes of their fanatic, misled comrades in arms — the worst outcome,” they added. “Instead, they should be tried in our fair and open legal system, or in a court of international justice, and then spend the rest of their lives in prison.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/us/politics/britain-death-penalty-isis.html
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I hate to be that guy but how do we know every single one in detention is/was an ISIS fighter if they haven't even been put on trial? Couldn't it be possible that a fighting age male was at the wrong place at the wrong time?
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I figure they're probably mostly ISIS fighters but I just wonder if some poor shmuck got really unlucky and got swept up along with them.
That applies more so to foreign fighters from the region, not so much Europe. From your article
There was actually an article posted here once, I think by @Arkain2K, about how rich Saudi recruits to ISIS would go over there and pay to get to the front of the suicide bomber line much to the dismay of other recruits. However, this doesn't mean these recruits wren't disenfranchised. A lot of the MENA recruits felt politically disenfranchised and given the prevalence of dictatorship that's not exactly a crazy claim(though Tunisia produced the highest amount of ISIS recruits per capita and it was in the middle of an albeit rocky democratic transition during the rise of ISIS.)
Poverty and lack of education can play a role in radicalization. Also from your article, later in the piece
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Well, we're still waiting for European countries to take their citizens back for a trial. You know, due process and all that good stuff.
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