A 28-year-old Democratic Socialist just ousted a powerful, 10-term congressman in New York

Major Upset?


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Kind of like Trump has disappointed on his wall, defeating ISIS, repeal and replace.

But at least you got an extra $20 in your paycheck.
That 20 bucks is more than I've seen come my way from any president in my adult lifetime, sad to say.
 
That 20 bucks is more than I've seen come my way from any president in my adult lifetime, sad to say.

Well I was in debt when Obama took office and now I own a home and claim a salary. Have a hefty savings and a 401k and health insurance.
 
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It's inevitable when you get a wave that the boundaries shift a bit. To some extent, it's like Sharron Angle or Christine O'Donnell, though obviously not a kook who is going to lose in the general.
 
Not by one lone gunman congresswoman who openly states she will not work with the president. She got elected using buzz words she knew she wouldn't deliver on. She will disappoint.
You are describing your president.
 
It's surprising that she beat such an established candidate, but it's not surprising when you consider that the most extreme candidates tend to do better in smaller elections rather during larger ones, such as a Presidential election. People who are ideologically committed to their cause tend to show up more for things like primary elections, midterms, elections during "off" years, local ones, etc.
 
that's actually a good thing, as they caught the DCCC redhanded telling progressives they aren't getting love/support from the higher ups

Good for her, seriously.

Jimmy Dore might have a stroke from happiness haha
 
It's not the government's job to make your life better, it's yours.
If I could "Like" this 1000 times I would. People of this generation have no sense of personal responsibility.
It's wrong, though. It is the government's job to make people's lives better-its why we have government at all. Not only that, but it's an explicitly stated purpose of our government. Its embedded in the Preamble and Article I of the Constitution.

Now, people also have the responsibility to improve their own lives, but the two aren't mutually exclusive. It's not a binary decision.
 
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She wants to abolish ICE, no wall and demilitarize the police and has said she wouldn’t meet Trump if he asked. She represents the opposite of what Trump is.
while she may represent all she wants, she doesnt have the connections and entrenched as crowley. She's no threat to trump, whereas Crowley was, so it's Trump's victory in that his enemy is gone. Either way, no democrat in that area will be helpful for Trump.
 
The tide is turning and I'm all for that. Full steam ahead!



You are still stuck on this "checks and balances" mantra. No matter how many times you repeat that doesn't make it true. Just how I've told you before, the executive is primus inter pares and its power, relative to other branches, has increased dramatically since 9/11. If you want I can link you to peer-review articles and books for you to get up to speed on this. What checks and balances are you talking about when Republicans are running the political show? You're more scared of Trumps antithesis than Trump himself...you're more scared of someone reversing and flushing Trumps bullshit than the bullshit itself piling up. Why? Is it too much of a radical change for America to do and survive?



If you want to talk about freeloaders and people that exploit natural and human resources go right ahead, but you should keep in mind that those practices primarily haven't been the field of activity of workers. If anybody is freeloading and living off the labor power of other people it is owners of capital.

Whateva Castro...
 
Good luck delivering on those ridiculous campaign promises. Surprising people still fall for the "we're all gonna get free stuff " sales pitch in this day and age.

Not really surprising that people fall for empty campaign promises. There's rubes out there who still believe Trump will build a massive wall over the entire southern border.
 
Not really surprising that people fall for empty campaign promises. There's rubes out there who still believe Trump will build a massive wall over the entire southern border.

Yes, the irony of that post coming from a trump voter.
 
Well, its possible we could see some balance, which is what we need. We need extreme ideas, but we need a stronger middle ground and I think I am seeing a bit of a shift that way from some hard right/left. We're not that far off on a lot of issues. I think people are starting to see it.
I'm seeing signs of that, such as in District 24 here, indeed, although I'm seeing signs of the opposite, too. I'm like anyone else, tense and guarded while uncertain, but I do make an effort to always keep my mind agile enough to meaningfully reinvent itself, when I am wrong, and adapt to be stronger from the pain of the lesson. I don't have faith in him making serious inroads into the demographics that moderate conservatives need to win for future relevance, but there could be a way.
I think she is a Democratic Socialist not a Socialist.
Have you talked to any of the young people who refer to themselves as "Socialists"? They don't understand the difference. The kid who schooled Crowder might be it.

It's what turned me off to Bernie Sanders so radically later in the Democratic primaries-- his base. Early in the campaign I was mostly irritated by Clinton flip-flopping on all these issues to Bernie's side, and then pretending she believed those positions all along. It destroyed the credibility of her platform. But then, as she pulled away, the crazy really started to show on the Bernie fans. Suddenly they sounded like the principal 25% of the GOP that supported Trump from the beginning.
 
You are describing your president.
I disagree. I think Trumps ideas are better for immigrants and US citizens than what this clown is proposing, and a lot more doable at that.
 
I'm seeing signs of that, such as in District 24 here, indeed, although I'm seeing signs of the opposite, too. I'm like anyone else, tense and guarded while uncertain, but I do make an effort to always keep my mind agile enough to meaningfully reinvent itself, when I am wrong, and adapt to be stronger from the pain of the lesson. I don't have faith in him making serious inroads into the demographics that moderate conservatives need to win for future relevance, but there could be a way.

Have you talked to any of the young people who refer to themselves as "Socialists"? They don't understand the difference. The kid who schooled Crowder might be it.

It's what turned me off to Bernie Sanders so radically later in the Democratic primaries-- his base. Early in the campaign I was mostly irritated by Clinton flip-flopping on all these issues to Bernie's side, and then pretending she believed those positions all along. It destroyed the credibility of her platform. But then, as she pulled away, the crazy really started to show on the Bernie fans. Suddenly they sounded like the principal 25% of the GOP that supported Trump from the beginning.
I think radical ideas, both left and right, tend to excite but eventually alienate. Politicans always go a step too far. The pendulum swings too far the other way though.
 
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