ACLU/Maine Democrats oppose bill to criminalize female genital mutilation in Maine

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Can anyone give me a reason why female genital mutilation should not be outlawed other than we need to respect other cultures?


http://reason.com/volokh/2018/04/30/burning-widows-and-other-things-that-eve
Here in the United States, we have a longstanding custom concerning female genital mutilation: We abhor it. Indeed, it is a federal offense to perform it on minors. But when the Maine Legislature had the opportunity to criminalize such behavior under state law as well, the bill failed on essentially a party-line vote. Some of the arguments against it make me wonder if Maine Democrats haven't taken cross-cultural tolerance—if that's what it is—a step too far.

To set the stage, I should say that Maine has a significant Somali community and that female genital mutilation is widely practiced in Somalia as well as many (but by no means all) Muslim and non-Muslim areas in Africa. It is also practiced to a lesser extent in Muslim areas elsewhere and probably in some non-Muslim areas too. During the public debate over the bill, one commentator said the bill existed only to appease "the largest anti-Muslim hate group in the US." Another called the bill "incredibly racist," arguing that "there are many different cultures and each group of people has a different reason for doing this. Maine Democrats said they were worried about alienating the Somali community.

But does anyone really think that Maine Republicans would be fine and dandy with female genital mutilation if it had been adopted as a practice by local Methodists? I can't imagine that. The notion that the bill was intended as a gratuitous slap in the face to Somalis seems very odd to me. The intention seems to be to stop female genital mutilation.

Other arguments cited by Maine Democrats for opposing the bill seemed to be makeweight. For example, some claimed that because there is a federal statute already, there is no need for a Maine statute. But the Maine bill actually went beyond the federal statute by outlawing Maine residents from transporting girls over state lines for the purpose of female genital mutilation. Moreover, policing this kind of activity is much more the traditional province of state prosecutors. Federal prosecutors have enough on their hands.

Similarly, some argued that the Maine criminal code already covers the practice in outlawing "aggravated assault." Yet the Maine Prosecutors Association, which supported the bill, has pointed out that a successful prosecution for aggravated assault would be very difficult, since the parents ordinarily consent to female genital mutilation. That point makes a lot of sense. Note that piercing a child's ears without parental consent is ordinarily a criminal assault, but with that consent it is not. The law allows parents to make most decisions on behalf of their children, but a few of those decisions are over the line. The best way for Maine to decide when parents can consent on behalf of their minor children and when they cannot is to pass specific statutes that identify when parental consent is void. This is essentially what the bill did.

The ACLU of Maine opposed the bill as "nothing more than an attempt to single out behavior that is commonly attributed to certain religious and ethnic communities as different from other forms of abuse." But the prosecutors' point is that singling out behavior is a good thing in this context. Drawing the line on when a practice is so abhorrent (and permanent) that parents should not be able to consent to it on behalf of their minor children is a judgment better made by a legislature before the fact than by a judge or jury after the fact.

A third argument put forth by Maine Democrats was that there is no evidence that female genital mutilation is occurring in Maine. But there is. "People ask, 'Is this happening in Maine?"" Maine Governor Paul LePage saidduring a press conference on the bill. "The answer is simply, 'Yes.' Doctors and nurses in Maine have seen the brutal results either on the examining table or in the emergency room after it has gone horribly wrong." State Rep. Heather Sirocki also says that she has had conversations with Maine hospital personnel that are seeing the results. Evidently the State has had to pay the medical costs for some of the cases where things went wrong. All this is consistent with arrests being made in Minnesota and Michigan.

If there were better reasons to oppose the bill, I have not heard them articulated by the Maine legislators.

I am not saying that Americans should stamp out all cultural practices of recently-arrived immigrant groups with which they disagree. Our nation of immigrants can't function without a large measure of cross-cultural toleration. But there have to be limits. For Napier, it was burning widows (which, mercifully, was a rare practice in his time) and slavery (which, alas, was more common).

Maine Democrats claim to oppose female genital mutilation (and perhaps they do), but they lacked the intestinal fortitude to criminalize it. Instead, in an effort to save face, they put forth a pathetically watered down version of the bill, lacking any enforcement mechanism. If Maine isn't willing to confidently to draw the line at female genital mutilation of young girls, when will it ever have enough confidence in its own principles to enforce them?
 
If boys can have their penises cut, girls should be allowed to have the vaginas cut. Are you some kind of sexist?
 
Well that's really fucked up. Dems should call their own out on this shit.
 
It's already illegal everywhere.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/116


18 U.S. Code § 116 - Female genital mutilation

(a)
Except as provided in subsection (b), whoever knowingly circumcises, excises, or infibulates the whole or any part of the labia majora or labia minora or clitoris of another person who has not attained the age of 18 years shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

So, it's outlawed in Maine already. Seems like political grandstanding. I always found it odd how most Americans have no problems cutting off parts of a little boy's penis since it was a common practice of several ancient cultures, yet vehemently (and rightly) oppose FGM.
 
can they have balls like FOR ONCE please?

you can pander to many groups w/o completely subjugating half the population, just saying
 
It's already illegal everywhere.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/116


18 U.S. Code § 116 - Female genital mutilation

(a)
Except as provided in subsection (b), whoever knowingly circumcises, excises, or infibulates the whole or any part of the labia majora or labia minora or clitoris of another person who has not attained the age of 18 years shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

So, it's outlawed in Maine already. Seems like political grandstanding. I always found it odd how most Americans have no problems cutting off parts of a little boy's penis since it was a common practice of several ancient cultures, yet vehemently (and rightly) oppose FGM.

Why grandstand on this topic?

And I, for one, am glad I don't have to peel back my banana to clean the tip.
 
I always found it odd how most Americans have no problems cutting off parts of a little boy's penis since it was a common practice of several ancient cultures, yet vehemently (and rightly) oppose FGM.

There's a big difference between cutting off the foreskin of a penis and cutting off someone's clitoris. If fgm were a cosmetic procedure with little long term impact, I wouldn't think twice about it.
 
It's already illegal everywhere.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/116


18 U.S. Code § 116 - Female genital mutilation

(a)
Except as provided in subsection (b), whoever knowingly circumcises, excises, or infibulates the whole or any part of the labia majora or labia minora or clitoris of another person who has not attained the age of 18 years shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

So, it's outlawed in Maine already. Seems like political grandstanding. I always found it odd how most Americans have no problems cutting off parts of a little boy's penis since it was a common practice of several ancient cultures, yet vehemently (and rightly) oppose FGM.

That is addressed in the op/ed I linked to.

" For example, some claimed that because there is a federal statute already, there is no need for a Maine statute. But the Maine bill actually went beyond the federal statute by outlawing Maine residents from transporting girls over state lines for the purpose of female genital mutilation. Moreover, policing this kind of activity is much more the traditional province of state prosecutors. Federal prosecutors have enough on their hands."


Right now it sounds like local LEO can't or don't arrest on this so as a practcal matter the practice is decriminalized.
 
Jesus Christ...

He can't hear you.
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This would never pass up here.
 
BTW, I live in Maine and have heard no support for genital mutilation. This is literally the first I'm hearing of it.
 
Here in the UK it was estimated back in 2014 that around 170,000 women and girls have been victims of FGM

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/fgm-17000...ital-cutting-ongoing-national-scandal-1455157

The first ever official figures from 2015-2016 showed almost 6,000 cases in just that one year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/artic...figures-show-nearly-6000-new-cases-in-england

Last year the NHS reported treating more than 9,000 cases

https://www.theguardian.com/society...fgm-cases-in-england-last-year-report-reveals

NHS staff also say they are seeing an average of one case per hour

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...se-per-hour-uk-nhs-circumcision-a7564571.html

Yet doctors and nurses still say they are afraid to speak out for fear of being branded racist

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/hea...ill-fear-raising-alarm-over-fgm-a3825156.html

But here's the real kicker. Despite all this, not a single person has ever been prosecuted for this barbaric practice.

This is what Islam and political correctness brings to your society which is why you must oppose it at every turn. Don't let ignorant name calling 'progressives' bully you and tell you it's you who's in the wrong on this.
 
BTW, I live in Maine and have heard no support for genital mutilation. This is literally the first I'm hearing of it.

I'm not surprised considering the source of the story. "Reason-free markets and free minds". These libertarian "think tanks" can be pretty ridiculous.
 
I can't imagine a reason it shouldn't be outlawed but...

...if that was the sole reason for this bill then wouldn't they have outlawed it 5 years ago? 10 years ago? 50 years ago? Why is it suddenly a pressing concern?

This is politics and politics aren't always about black/white right vs. wrong. Politics are a show, a spectacle. And so while I don't agree with the Dem's on this, I'm also certain that the reason this law is being brought up right now is to send a message to the voting body about the local Muslim community. Unless, of course, they actually have a female genital mutilation problem in Maine and this is the only way to stop it.

But virtue signalling via proposed legislation is hardly new and that's what this appears to be...even if the subject of the proposed legislation is something I would agree with.
 
There's a big difference between cutting off the foreskin of a penis and cutting off someone's clitoris. If fgm were a cosmetic procedure with little long term impact, I wouldn't think twice about it.

They're both medically unnecessary procedures which cause harm ( if only short term pain in boys) and are based on cultural/religious norms.

Yes, FGM is worse, but both are unjustiable imo.
 
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