Elections Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: Establishment Democrats' Wakeup Call

That's because you're very imperceptive and intellectually impulsive. She's probably a couple years too young but it's not crazy or anything. Compared to the average 28 year old, very impressive.

Well gee Fawlt, those views put you in line with Alt-Right Nazis. Just didn't think you were the type. I sincerely hope you can red pill your ever leftward-leaning coalition on the importance of things like borders.

But yeah, she's certainly not too young to cast a vote in Congress.
 
What's your rebuttle @AndroidRage ? Are you wrong or the Prime Minister of Denmark wrong about them (not) being a Socialist Republic?

By your own retarded definition Denmark is a socialist nation. Same way Bernie is a "socialist". I am tired of playing these moronic games with you repubtards. You are determined to label social democrats as socialists because they are for things like single payer, higher minimum wage, government funded public college, etc. Many other nations do these things.... like Denmark. Yet they aren't socialist. You equate someone like Bernie with the failed state of Venezuala when that has never been what he has proposed.
 
Why dont you explain why its bad and what your definition of a socialist country is?

People talk about single-payer, free college, et al. and you guys are like SOSHULIZM!!!!

Then people bring up countries that have those things and you guys are like :"LOL libcucks those arent socialist countries!!!111"

I think 90% of the posters on here dont really know what any of the words they use really mean.

Its almost like talking with retards or something.:oops::oops::oops:

Bitch please, you realized that YOU'RE the one who listed out those countries in response to a guy who specifically asked you to name some successful Socialist countries, right? o_O

Offering basic tax-funded public programs that exists side by side with premium privately-owned businesses does NOT make a country a Socialist republic. Because if that's the case, then any country with public libraries, public city parks, and public schools already fits that "Socialist" label.

If you still need help with the definition of Socialism vs. Democratic Socialism, start from here.

And what the fuck is up with the "you guys" bullshit? If you gonna reply to me, refer to what I said, don't lump me in with other random people and then imagine hypothetical scenarios inside your little head. THAT, makes you sounds like a compete retard.

By your own retarded definition Denmark is a socialist nation. Same way Bernie is a "socialist". I am tired of playing these moronic games with you repubtards. You are determined to label social democrats as socialists because they are for things like single payer, higher minimum wage, government funded public college, etc. Many other nations do these things.... like Denmark. Yet they aren't socialist.

I dare you to quote such "retarded definition" that I supposedly wrote. If you can't, shut the fuck up with your stupid strawman and ad hominem attacks.

FYI: Contrary to what you believe, not everyone in the WR are Democrats and Republicans. Don't make such bipolar assumption and make an ass out of yourself.

You equate someone like Bernie with the failed state of Venezuala when that has never been what he has proposed.

I have never even criticized Bernie Sanders in the entire thread, but since you choose to bring him and the failed Socialist shit-hole of Venezuela up yourself, here's his official Senate page:

bernie-sanders-feels-the-love-for-failed-venezuela.jpg


https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-gaps-disparities-that-threaten-america

Socialism is different than Democratic Socialism, but when self-described "Democratic Socialists" in America (or Labour in the U.K) openly expressing their admiration for genuine Socialist shitholes like Venezuela and praise them as the utopia that the world should aspire to become, even as all the once-thriving industries were being driven into the grounds with genuine Socialist shit-brain policies, then the jig is up, no matter which name tag they choose to wear.

And just because your "Democratic Socialist" hero want to realize his South American Dream the way Hugo Chavez and Nicolas Maduro intended doesn't mean other people would.
 
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Bitch please, you realized that YOU'RE the one who listed out those countries in response to a guy who specifically asked you to name some successful Socialist countries, right? o_O

Because to all the retards communism/socialism/social democracy = same thing. If youre gonna call single -payer 'socialism' you cant say countries with single payer are not socialist. It is not logical. If you agree that Denmark is not a socialist country and is a social democracy then dont call single-payer socialism. Pretty fvking simple.

Offering basic tax-funded public programs that exists side by side with premium privately-owned businesses does NOT make a country a Socialist republic. Because if that's the case, then any country with public libraries, public city parks, and public schools already fits that "Socialist" label.

No zhit genius. Thats what weve been trying to say.

If you still need help with the definition of Socialism vs. Democratic Socialism, start from here.

I dont need this I think youre right-wing boyfriends in here do, you need to educate them.

And what the fuck is up with the "you guys" bullshit? If you gonna reply to me, refer to what I said, don't lump me in with other random people and then imagine hypothetical scenarios inside your little head. THAT, makes you sounds like a compete retard.

You come off as a retarded right-winger, if youre not I apologize in my mis characterization.
 
By your own retarded definition Denmark is a socialist nation. Same way Bernie is a "socialist". I am tired of playing these moronic games with you repubtards. You are determined to label social democrats as socialists because they are for things like single payer, higher minimum wage, government funded public college, etc. Many other nations do these things.... like Denmark. Yet they aren't socialist. You equate someone like Bernie with the failed state of Venezuala when that has never been what he has proposed.

Says the guy that labels every Trump supporter an alt-right racist.
 
Bitch please, you realized that YOU'RE the one who listed out those countries in response to a guy who specifically asked you to name some successful Socialist countries, right? o_O

Offering basic tax-funded public programs that exists side by side with premium privately-owned businesses does NOT make a country a Socialist republic. Because if that's the case, then any country with public libraries, public city parks, and public schools already fits that "Socialist" label.

If you still need help with the definition of Socialism vs. Democratic Socialism, start from here.

And what the fuck is up with the "you guys" bullshit? If you gonna reply to me, refer to what I said, don't lump me in with other random people and then imagine hypothetical scenarios inside your little head. THAT, makes you sounds like a compete retard.



I dare you to quote such "retarded definition" that I supposedly wrote. If you can't, shut the fuck up with your stupid strawman and ad hominem attacks.

FYI: Contrary to what you believe, not everyone in the WR are Democrats and Republicans. Don't make such bipolar assumption and make an ass out of yourself.



I have never even criticized Bernie Sanders in the entire thread, but since you choose to bring him and the failed Socialist shit-hole of Venezuela up yourself, here's his official Senate page:

bernie-sanders-feels-the-love-for-failed-venezuela.jpg


https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-gaps-disparities-that-threaten-america

Socialism is different than Democratic Socialism, but when self-described "Democratic Socialists" in America (or Labour in the U.K) openly expressing their admiration for genuine Socialist shitholes like Venezuela and praise them as the utopia that the world should aspire to become, even as that country was actively driving their once-thriving industries into the grounds with genuine Socialist shit-brain policies, then the jig is up, no matter which name tag they choose stick on their shirt.

And just because your "Democratic Socialist" hero want to realize his South American Dream the way Hugo Chavez and Nicolas Maduro intended doesn't mean other people would.

https://quillette.com/2018/03/10/sanders-venezuela-meme/

Try reading that.
 
Because to all the retards communism/socialism/social democracy = same thing. If youre gonna call single -payer 'socialism' you cant say countries with single payer are not socialist. It is not logical. If you agree that Denmark is not a socialist country and is a social democracy then dont call single-payer socialism. Pretty fvking simple.

Did you and your buddy @AndroidRage partook in some kind of drug binge before coming into this thread? Because your hallucination about things that don't actually exists is still going strong.

Go ahead and see if either of you can quote any of my post in this entire thread that's even remotely close to all the bullshit that you two are pulling out of your asses and insists to be from me.

You come off as a retarded right-winger, if youre not I apologize in my mis characterization.

Why, because I laughed at AndroidRage's list of successful Socialist Countries and your supplementary list that followed?

Simply put: I laughed at your lists, because they're utterly stupid. You yourself insists that Socialism is not the same as Democratic Socialism, but then simultaneously arguing that they are one and the same.

It's just as amusing as all the politicians in the West who insists that they are not Socialists, but simultaneously idolizing Hugo Chavez's disastrous Socialist economic policies and openly wishes their country can be more like Venezuela. Like this guy:



When the question was simply this:

Feel free to populate the list of successful socialist countries. I’ll be waiting.

The answer should be this:

"There are none. True Socialist countries are all shit-holes. Even China only got to where they are now after switching from their failed Socialist economy to a bastardized version of Capitalism masquerading under a veneer of Socialism. Capitalism is here to stay, but there is no reason why Capitalist societies can't have certain basic tax-payer funded public services existing side-by-side next to premium/comprehensive offerings from the private sector, only if the business plan for such public services has to be economically-sound and based on real workable numbers, not empty slogans and pixie dusts
like the snake oil currently being peddled by self-styled Democratic Socialists."

See, that right there is neither left-wing nor right-wing.

It's called Common Sense.
 
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I don't understand why she is stupid enough to embrace the S word like Bernie did. It's almost as if her policies are not sound enough to stand on their own so she needs a distraction from the bottom line question. How will you balance the costs?
 
I don't understand why she is stupid enough to embrace the S word like Bernie did. It's almost as if her policies are not sound enough to stand on their own so she needs a distraction from the bottom line question. How will you balance the costs?
Im sure her degree in economics will come in handy whenever she's faced with those sort of questions
 
Im sure her degree in economics will come in handy whenever she's faced with those sort of questions

It won't take an undergrad degree in economics to answer the question. It's a simple tax plan. The money has to come from taxes. Is she raising the taxes on the upper brackets to 100%? Is she raising taxes on the working poor or is it a pure Robin Hood scenario?
 
It won't take an undergrad degree in economics to answer the question. It's a simple tax plan. The money has to come from taxes. Is she raising the taxes on the upper brackets to 100%? Is she raising taxes on the working poor or is it a pure Robin Hood scenario?
nobody is suggesting raising the taxes on the upper brackets to 100%.... stop being overdramatic. Spending less on the military would be a place to get some money without the need for raising taxes. Also if they brought in Universal Healthcare millions of people would no longer have to pay thousands of dollars every year for insurance, which means any rises in tax will not be felt.

None of her policies are radical.... you guys just dont understand them
 
No, I don't think it's good news for the Democratic party as a whole. The base is splintering, and you're going to see more of it. There's going to be a fight between the hard left, and the moderate left, and the winner is going to be the GOP.
In case you haven’t been paying attention(LOL), the GOP has similar problems of its own already. The Dems have a long way to go to match the likes of the freedom cock-US.
 
In case you haven’t been paying attention(LOL), the GOP has similar problems of its own already.

No it doesn't. Something like 90% of Republicans approve of Trump.

The Dems have a long way to go to match the likes of the freedom cock-US.

You keep telling yourself that. They're a fucking mess, who have already started divisively pushing full blown socialism within the establishment.
 
No it doesn't. Something like 90% of Republicans approve of Trump.



You keep telling yourself that. They're a fucking mess, who have already started divisively pushing full blown socialism within the establishment.
I prefer to think of it as an exchange of ideas. ;)
Alright, long way to go may have been an exaggeration. But Trump will be in power only so long. Then what happens? We'll see.
 
By your own retarded definition Denmark is a socialist nation. Same way Bernie is a "socialist". I am tired of playing these moronic games with you repubtards. You are determined to label social democrats as socialists because they are for things like single payer, higher minimum wage, government funded public college, etc. Many other nations do these things.... like Denmark. Yet they aren't socialist. You equate someone like Bernie with the failed state of Venezuala when that has never been what he has proposed.


Bernie praised Venezuela. I mean, why give it so much praise and love if he isn't a socialist/communist?

And now that Venezuela has failed he just kinda shrugs and ignores questions about it. Typical scumbag socialist like you. lol
 
No, we aren't. Right wingers always claim Bernie is a socialist and other progressives who push things like single payer. But then when a list like that is provided of countries that have similar policies then all of a sudden they aren't what you consider socialist.

In reality neither is really socialist.
 
Bernie praised Venezuela. I mean, why give it so much praise and love if he isn't a socialist/communist?

And now that Venezuela has failed he just kinda shrugs and ignores questions about it. Typical scumbag socialist like you. lol

The words attributed to Sanders are traceable to a single online source: an articleposted on his official website on 5 August, 2011 in the ‘Newsroom’ section and categorised as a ‘Must Read.’ It is entitled “Close the Gaps: Disparities That Threaten America,” and, as the link below the headline indicates, it originally appeared in the 4 August edition of Valley News, a New England regional newspaper. The link to the Valley News website now goes to a downed ‘404’ page, but an archived version shows the article as it appeared on the site. No by-line exists and the author of the article is unclear.

So did Sanders write it? This mystery was resolved with a single email to the Valley News Editorial Board. An editor named Ernie Kohlsaat replied:

The Aug. 4, 2011, piece you are referring to, headlined “Close the Gaps: Disparities That Threaten America,” was an editorial, not a news article. It was written by a member of the Valley News Editorial Board and as such reflects the opinion of the newspaper. The version on Sen. Sanders’ website appears to be an accurate rendition of the editorial as published on Page A8 of the Valley News on that date.

Sanders’s critics would doubtless reply that cross-posting the article without clarification or caveat amounts to an endorsement. But an endorsement of what? The article is not about Venezuela or Bolivarianism (or Equador or Argentina, for that matter) but American inequalities, poverty, and lack of opportunities. The “Gaps that Threaten America” are domestic inequality, ‘the wealth gap,’ ‘the jobs gap,’ and racial disparities in property ownership. The only mention of Venezuela in the 600 word editorial comes in the endlessly circulated final two lines. It ought to be obvious to fair-minded people that, in the context of the article, this final rhetorical flourish was intended to shame America for failing to live up to its promise.

As would-be shaming attempts go, this one is obviously absurd. By 2011, the idea that Venezuela was any kind of land of opportunity was already a significant departure from reality. In 1931, James Truslow Adams offered this widely accepted definition of the American Dream as “that dream of a land in which life should be better and richer and fuller for everyone, with opportunity for each according to ability or achievement.” A cursory examination of Venezuela’s domestic affairs in 2011 would have shown that this was not a remotely accurate description of the situation there.

There is no record of Sanders sponsoring or co-sponsoring any symbolic motion which praises the “achievements” or policies of Hugo Chavez, or (quite notably for Sanders) any resolutions condemning US foreign policy towards Venezuela. In fact, the opposite can be inferred from an August 12th 2004 open letter in support of Chavez which bore the signatures of Rev. Jesse Jackson, Naomi Klein, Howard Zinn, and U.S. Representative Dennis Kucinich. The name of Bernie Sanders, then a U.S. Representative known for his lifelong left-wing anti-establishment politics, is made conspicuous by its absence.

Either way, what makes Sanders unusual among American radicals – from Noam Chomsky and The Nation magazine to almost every left-wing intellectual and journal of thought – is that he has never uttered a kind word for the cargo cult of Hugo Chavez. The more strange then, that he has been accused, convicted, and tarred-and-feathered on precisely that charge

All taken from this article.

https://quillette.com/2018/03/10/sanders-venezuela-meme/
 
Short version is you are full of shit and he never did actually praise Venezuela.
 
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