Amazon, Berkshire, JPMorgan team up on health care

[xcvbn]

We cannot significantly cut health care spending without addressing and lowering the costs of the medical providers themselves. Taking the private insurance middle-man and his profits out of the equation is only half the battle.

Doctors' salaries and fees for procedures in European hospitals are something like 1/3 the cost of the US. Only a universal, public system can effectively reign in the providers.

I'm convinced we either go full-blown extreme regulations/socialist system, or we go 19th century free-for-all. Not free, for all. But complete murrica capitalist fuck you free-for-all with no regulations. At least with the latter we no longer subsidize health care corporatists AND get fucked in the ass with massive costs- here you just get fucked individually.

I can't be the only person who thinks this whole health care thing is absolutely insane. It just feels like a complete joke and honestly Obama care didn't do nearly enough- like all it's done is given republicans just one more way to delay the right course of action. And from what I can tell it didn't make it cheaper at all

 

[phipps66]

Calling US health care a "hungry tapeworm" is an insult to tapeworms. It's more of a malignant tumor.

 

[High Altitude]

With 1/3 of Americans being obese, that definitely doesn't help the situation.

 

[KantoTerror]

In before Trumpers say only the Dear Leader can fix health care.

In all seriousness though good for these guys. Ultra rich people should use their resources to better humanity. With great success comes great responsibility

Ummm what has this got to do with Trump? Saltiness...

 

[zebby23]

Ummm what has this got to do with Trump? Saltiness...

Everything has to do with Trump when talking to a Trumper. I just got ahead of it and...

 

[cooks1]

Sounds good. I hope they succeed tremendously and that their system will be copied by everyone.

It's encouraging. But before you get your penis too erect over it, remember we are talking about the worlds richest men, who are currently paying for healthcare in some way for upwards of 1 million people, are discussing ways to remove the profit element fro healthcare. In short, they are trying to make more money. That should come as a surprise to noone.

They could all do it tomorrow by self insuring. They just don't want the distraction from their core business.

 

[KantoTerror]

Everything has to do with Trump when talking to a Trumper. I just got ahead of it and...

 

[cooks1]

This is the problem, even if this system works and is copied:


Agree 100%. We either need AFFORDABLE healthcare (ie. Probably non-profit) through employers plus Medicare/ Medicaid to cover all who don’t have affordable healthcare through employment...

Or we just need to bite the Bullet and go single payer for everyone...

Shit has got to change, though. Something just has to give in the current setup.

It brings me no pleasure to say this. And know I am probably the biggest proponent of socialized medicine in some form on this forum. But affordable healthcare in the US, at this point in time, is impossible.

It is impossible because we are the sickest nation on earth. By a country mile. For the US to lower healthcare in any meaningful way, we have to fundamentally alter the way we eat and live.

Our healthcare costs are so out of control, that if we were to literally reduce them magically by 33% overnight, it would literally cause a depression in the US. Not a recession- A depression.

Healthcare costs in 2016 were 3.3 trillion out of a GDP of 18.57 trillion. Reduce that by 1/3 and that would single handedly cause a 5% drop in GDP.

'Fortunately' there is no quick solution.

 

[zebby23]

hahaha I knew you were mad. Must defend Dear Leader

 

[GSP_37]

I always felt Warren Buffet was a good human being.

 

[curryjunkie]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...jpmorgan-to-set-up-a-health-company-for-staff

Three corporate giants are teaming up to combat what billionaire Warren Buffett calls a “hungry tapeworm” feasting on the U.S. economy: health care.

Amazon.com Inc., Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway Inc. and JPMorgan Chase & Co. said they plan to collaborate on a way to offer health-care services to their U.S. employees more transparently and at a lower cost. The three companies plan to set up a new independent company “that is free from profit-making incentives and constraints,” according to a short statement on Tuesday.




Thoughts? Will Trump tweet about his seething jealousy of Bezos? Is this the first step to improving health care?

so the company with a shit tier reputation for treating its workers badly is somehow concerned they are paying too much for their healthcare? im confused
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon.com_controversies
"In September 2011 Allentown, Pennsylvania's Morning Call interviewed 20 past and present employees at Amazon's Breinigsville warehouse, all but one of whom criticized the company's warehouse conditions and employment practice. Specific investigatory concerns were heat so extreme it required the regular posting of ambulances to take away workers who passed out,[92] strenuous workloads in that heat, and first-person reports of summary terminations for health conditions such as breast cancer"

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

We dont need these over-achievers to donate their valuable time and money that they should be using to secure their own livelihood.

If every Murkan would just eat right, exercise, take their vitamins, and pray to the Bible we wouldnt need these Jerb Creators having to nanny us back to better health.

 

[ineverpost]

I always felt Warren Buffet was a good human being.

Everyone thought that about Ted Bundy too

 

[HatchetHarry]

We cannot significantly cut health care spending without addressing and lowering the costs of the medical providers themselves. Taking the private insurance middle-man and his profits out of the equation is only half the battle.

Doctors' salaries and fees for procedures in European hospitals are something like 1/3 the cost of the US. Only a universal, public system can effectively reign in the providers.

Physicians and other healthcare providers dedicate a large amount of their lifetime to being able to become provides. Cutting their salaries is a slap in the face of providers.

In order to reduce costs we need to make healthcare less accessible and eliminate programs like Medicaid which render little reimbursement for hospitals which drives up the price for actual paying customers. EMTALA needs to go so emergency rooms can focus on actual emergencies and point sore throats to urgent care centers which charge like $50 flat fees. Part of the reason ER visits are so expensive is because you have to staff a large number of providers and assistive personnel to deal with ESI level 4-5s and less emergent level 3s as well as the frequent flyers and pain seekers.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

In order to reduce costs we need to make healthcare less accessible

Agreed. We should kill off all the poor people so they stop being a drain on the health care and society of the productive people.

*brofist*

 

[HatchetHarry]

Agreed. We should kill off all the poor people so they stop being a drain on the health care and society of the productive people.

*brofist*

People aren’t going to just die off without healthcare. That is an uneducated talking point. Look into emergency departments and data regarding triage levels, mortality rates, etc.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

However Americans really need health care that doesn't rely on the place they work IMO. If you get laid off from your job, you have enough other things to worry about, and healthcare shouldn't be one of them.

If you get laid off from your job, you have enough other things to worry about, and FOOD shouldn't be one of them.

If you get laid off from your job, you have enough other things to worry about, and RENT shouldn't be one of them.

If you get laid off from your job, you have enough other things to worry about, and a CAR shouldn't be one of them.

Anything else I'm missing meathead? Since we're spending other peoples' money we might as well go for it all.

 

[10mm]

THe fuckery of healthcare is that there has been zero discussion about medical costs. Medical costs drive insurance costs. I haven't heard a single representative ask why a tylenol cost 60$ in the hospital. Its all so hosed up now that Im afraid its too late to correct. Maybe we will get lucky and a doomsday meteor will hit and format the hard drive. format c: enter y

 

[Diamond Jim]

At what point does Amazon just take control of the government? 2019? No later than 2020 right?

 

[7437]

At what point does Amazon just take control of the government? 2019? No later than 2020 right?

Not if Google has anything to say about it