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[frango]

hey all...

So, i practice sport jiu jitsu. I am just a one year old white belt.
Off course i can handle new white belts and weaker opponnents (only if theyre not above blue belt).
Im not super strong but im stronger than average.

there is two gracie gyms near me where they offer the gracie's self defense stuff for the streets. One of them just call it self defense, the other is the gracie combatives (same stuff from rener and ryron).

I was wondering if there is any use of going to these places for self defense classes only. Apart of knife, gun, bat defenses...is there anything at all i wont be able to do as a sport jiu jitsu student?

is gracie self defense legit or sport jiu jitsu covers it?

no one is pulling guard on a street fight.
if almost all fights ends up on the ground isnt this the situation where sport jiu jitsu takes place?

 

[efficientjudo]

I'm of the opinion that all teaching of 'self defence' is snake oil. If you enjoy sport jiu-jitsu, then just keep training.

If you're training because you want to be safer - quit now and just avoid dangerous situations. Spend time with your family & friends instead of dedicating 3 nights a week for the next 10+ years of your life to a marital art, just so that if you end up in a one on one fight you'll be able to handle yourself. Because if anyone comes at you with a weapon/s or in a group, your chance of getting out safely diminishes quickly, there is little boxing, muay thai, bjj, judo or any other marital art will do for you. Additionally, 'self defence techniques' provide a false sense of security when confronted with those situations - if someone wants to stab you, there is little you can do to avoid it.

 

[georgegreece]

So you're saying my krav maga 99+ level certificate doesn't make me a badass? NoooooOoooooOOoo!

 

[BJJ_Rage]

I think as a white belt, combative is something you need to go through.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

There is no simple answer to this topic. "Self Defense" is a very broad generic statement that can mean a hundred different things.

 

[SummerStriker]

The Gracie punching defense from bottom is really good. If you get into mma sparring, knowing it can be a huge boost to your confidence.

Some of their stuff isnt much better than Kung fu, but the shit that’s right is right, and sparring with gloves on can make your BZjJ much more real.

 

[Necromantic]

hey all...

So, i practice sport jiu jitsu. I am just a one year old white belt.

I think you are supposed to be at least 13 to post here.


Anyway, gracie combatives are the X number of moves the gracies found to be most effective in making you ready to handle yourself in a fight.

Also, there is a large variety of capabilities in gracie curriculum schools and what they teach. What level are they?

My school is a level 4 so we get to scrap a bit.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

hey all...

So, i practice sport jiu jitsu. I am just a one year old white belt.
Off course i can handle new white belts and weaker opponnents (only if theyre not above blue belt).
Im not super strong but im stronger than average.

there is two gracie gyms near me where they offer the gracie's self defense stuff for the streets. One of them just call it self defense, the other is the gracie combatives (same stuff from rener and ryron).

I was wondering if there is any use of going to these places for self defense classes only. Apart of knife, gun, bat defenses...is there anything at all i wont be able to do as a sport jiu jitsu student?

is gracie self defense legit or sport jiu jitsu covers it?

no one is pulling guard on a street fight.
if almost all fights ends up on the ground isnt this the situation where sport jiu jitsu takes place?

- Arent you too young to go to a gym?

 

[lechien]

hey all...

So, i practice sport jiu jitsu. I am just a one year old white belt.
Off course i can handle new white belts and weaker opponnents (only if theyre not above blue belt).
Im not super strong but im stronger than average.

there is two gracie gyms near me where they offer the gracie's self defense stuff for the streets. One of them just call it self defense, the other is the gracie combatives (same stuff from rener and ryron).

I was wondering if there is any use of going to these places for self defense classes only. Apart of knife, gun, bat defenses...is there anything at all i wont be able to do as a sport jiu jitsu student?

is gracie self defense legit or sport jiu jitsu covers it?

no one is pulling guard on a street fight.
if almost all fights ends up on the ground isnt this the situation where sport jiu jitsu takes place?

I think if you are intrigued by gracie jiu jitsu, you should give it a try.
I think Gracie jiu jtsuis different from Bjj in some aspect and it is worth the experience.

I would also suggest trying out some judo as well.

 

[vcmmafan]

hey all...

So, i practice sport jiu jitsu. I am just a one year old white belt.
Off course i can handle new white belts and weaker opponnents (only if theyre not above blue belt).
Im not super strong but im stronger than average.

there is two gracie gyms near me where they offer the gracie's self defense stuff for the streets. One of them just call it self defense, the other is the gracie combatives (same stuff from rener and ryron).

I was wondering if there is any use of going to these places for self defense classes only. Apart of knife, gun, bat defenses...is there anything at all i wont be able to do as a sport jiu jitsu student?

is gracie self defense legit or sport jiu jitsu covers it?

no one is pulling guard on a street fight.
if almost all fights ends up on the ground isnt this the situation where sport jiu jitsu takes place?

If you REALLY want self defense go to a MMA gym

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

The techniques of "self defense" and the techniques in "sport" BJJ are the same techniques. There's only so many ways to move the human body. The only thing that separates the two is strategy and the habits formed when training for a particular strategy.

 

[CFGroup]

If you want to be able to roll around on the ground, train rolling around on the ground.

If you want to defend yourself you need to train self defense.

Most of the sport shit we train will get us passed 90% of the casual public.

If you did this for a living, this is how you train.

There's great weekend, week, 2 week camps you can sign up for.

 

[MaxMMA]

It depends on what the focus of your "sport bjj" training is.

Are you getting well versed in all aspects of grappling with your current training? Takedowns, Takedown defense, top control and bottom control?

Or is your instructor a specialist? Does he teach nothing but leglocks or techniques all from the same few positions?

If your are being coached to be a well rounded grappler, then you will be prepared to use grappling in a real fight. If you're just drilling worm guard everyday then you should probably check out the Gracie place.

 

[efficientjudo]

There's great weekend, week, 2 week camps you can sign up for.

That's exactly the problem - people do a weekend / 2 week course and walk away thinking that they know how to defend themselves. Even if the techniques are valid, which often they are not - how many times do you practice them in a weekend? Answer: not enough to make them instinctive.

 

[lechien]

If you want to be able to roll around on the ground, train rolling around on the ground.

If you want to defend yourself you need to train self defense.

Most of the sport shit we train will get us passed 90% of the casual public.

If you did this for a living, this is how you train.

There's great weekend, week, 2 week camps you can sign up for.

That video sounds like the place to send employees to learn nothing in a weekend and come back with a nice certificate. ..hence as an employer, I provided with hand to hand combat training (even if it was just a week end or 2)/

Also I would think it is tactical training when you loose use of your firearm.

 

[Quebec Nick]

Here's my 2 cents

No martial arts can give you an 100% guarantee against: multiple attackers, weapons... Fighting is really dangerous, 1 good punch, kick or knee can get you KO'd. Any takedown can smash your skull, any choke or submission holds can work even if poorly applied and even if you know the defense.

Go train standup or grappling and imagine that everytime you get caught, it would be over for you in a selfdefense situation. That every time you get tapped, or get a powershot on the nose, it could mean it's over for you in a real life situation.

It's like playing CoD and thinking you'd be invincible on a battlefield with a AR10, man you died 5 times in the last hour.

Training as humble me more than it gave me confidence in my ''streetfighting skills''. You won't see me in anybody's face yelling WHAT! WHAT! WHAT!. That doesn't mean that I let people walk over me, it's just that in a civilized world you shouldn't have to fight.

Sure, I'm in the 5% of people who actually train martial arts, that will help me. I'm good sized and in shape, that would help also. But instead of having a 50% chance of putting myself in major trouble, maybe I'm now at 20%, it's still very bad odds for getting hurt badly.

 

[CFGroup]

That video sounds like the place to send employees to learn nothing in a weekend and come back with a nice certificate. ..hence as an employer, I provided with hand to hand combat training (even if it was just a week end or 2)/


Also I would think it is tactical training when you loose use of your firearm.

Weapons free environment, no firearms.

2 week is 8 hrs a day and then a weekend every 6 months re cert, plus on the job experience every day.

That with regular MA training is effective SD because you're training outside the sport mindset where the timing and intent is not clear.

That's exactly the problem - people do a weekend / 2 week course and walk away thinking that they know how to defend themselves. Even if the techniques are valid, which often they are not - how many times do you practice them in a weekend? Answer: not enough to make them instinctive.

U r selling a sense of peace of mind to students which is fine for 90% of the problems people face.

There's a whole other level outside the gym off the mat in professions that do this for a living.

 

[CFGroup]

Here's my 2 cents

No martial arts can give you an 100% guarantee against: multiple attackers, weapons... Fighting is really dangerous, 1 good punch, kick or knee can get you KO'd. Any takedown can smash your skull, any choke or submission holds can work even if poorly applied and even if you know the defense.

Go train standup or grappling and imagine that everytime you get caught, it would be over for you in a selfdefense situation. That every time you get tapped, or get a powershot on the nose, it could mean it's over for you in a real life situation.

It's like playing CoD and thinking you'd be invincible on a battlefield with a AR10, man you died 5 times in the last hour.

Training as humble me more than it gave me confidence in my ''streetfighting skills''. You won't see me in anybody's face yelling WHAT! WHAT! WHAT!. That doesn't mean that I let people walk over me, it's just that in a civilized world you shouldn't have to fight.

Sure, I'm in the 5% of people who actually train martial arts, that will help me. I'm good sized and in shape, that would help also. But instead of having a 50% chance of putting myself in major trouble, maybe I'm now at 20%, it's still very bad odds for getting hurt badly.

Realistic assessment.

 

[efficientjudo]

U r selling a sense of peace of mind to students which is fine for 90% of the problems people face.

In my original post, I referred to the teaching of 'self defence' as being snake oil, to me, your above comment doesn't nothing but reinforce that statement.

I acknowledge that I can't speak directly to any of the courses you mention, as I've not taken them.

 

[007]

Just roll and be 1% better then you were yesterday