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And?none of those previous climate fluctuations had billions of people living below sea level.
And?none of those previous climate fluctuations had billions of people living below sea level.
I'd like to say something serious about environmental stewardship and making a difference, but frankly, I think we're all doomed. The intellectual rot in America is too far gone. Donald Trump and the rightwing in this country are doing irreversible damage to the U.S., and the world.
We're all fucked. Love your families while you still can.
And?
I juxtaposed my point with alternative scenarios. It wasn't some statement in a vacuum.your claims that it will be a "mild inconvenience" might be a bit premature.
I juxtaposed my point with alternative scenarios. It wasn't some statement in a vacuum.
My general point is the tenor of the conversation falsely revolves around the idea that we're entitled to or should expect an unchanging and ever-presently accommodating environment.
Excuse my interjection, but @andnowweknow is limiting himself to things that have actually happened, while you are free to Chicken Little to the full extent of your imagination (Won't somebody please think of the apples!).none of those previous climate fluctuations had billions of people living below sea level.
while you are free to Chicken Little to the full extent of your imagination (Won't somebody please think of the apples!).
The iceberg information is the opposite side of the coin to the snowball dropped on the floor of Congress. The iceberg does not prove anthropogenic global warming and the snowball does not disporve it.
I can understand the skittishness of warmists given their track record (Won't somebody please think of the polar bears!)
There are not billions of people living below sea level. You have imagined this future (just as you have previously imagined the extinction of apples), as Chicken Little imagined the sky to be falling.
what?
what?
ok.
There are not billions of people living below sea level. You have imagined this future (just as you have previously imagined the extinction of apples), as Chicken Little imagined the sky to be falling.
The iceberg information and the snowball are things that have happened in the past. Whether you are talking about ice melting or coral reef destruction or ocean acidification, you get points for predicting these events but not for attributing past events to global warming.
A prediction on your part would be providing a date (in our lifetime) when billions will be living below sea level. But you won't because it is safer for you in your imaginary world.
Won't someone think of the people at sea level?! Won't someone think of the apples?! I imagine a future in which twice as many angels will be able to dance on the head of a pin; who cares?ok. at sea level.
did i claim apples would go extinct due to climate change?
alright.
below sea level is not what i meant to write.
I'd like to say something serious about environmental stewardship and making a difference, but frankly, I think we're all doomed. The intellectual rot in America is too far gone. Donald Trump and the rightwing in this country are doing irreversible damage to the U.S., and the world.
We're all fucked. Love your families while you still can.
I loved this post, but...heya President HomerThompson,
i think you're spot on in your apathy for this topic, and you're being very realistic.
i don't exactly blame it entirely on the right wing, though they do get to shoulder much of the "credit" for promoting ignorance (and actual hatred) when it comes to this topic.
i just think...ya know...its counter productive to tell people what can and might happen if we continue to treat the planet like its some kind of globe shaped landfill.
you and i (and just about everyone on this forum) will be gone when the ravages of our occupancy come to real fruition - but i wish i could see it. the mass deforestation...the endless miles of dead coral reefs...an acidified ocean that yields no life...the coastal cities, gone.
*ponders*
see, at that point, it won't matter whether folks believe in science or not. they're lot will be so fucked up, they're more likely going to be looking for people to blame...
...and the culprits will all be dead.
i agree things are pretty hopeless...BUT...i also think that since we agree that there is no stopping our slide, we might as well enjoy ourselves.
clear cut some rain forest to harvest some rare hardwood and make end tables...litter with abandon (though not on one's own property, because that would be slovenly)...buy an F-150 and drive, drive, drive!, go slaughter the last tiger so you can sell its paws and testicles to the Chinese. stuff like that. just go for it!
i mean, we might as well. that's how i've decided to live my life, at any rate.
- IGIT
fucking savageI loved this post, but...
*their
I won't go that far but I might look into finding myself a nice cheap beach spot with a friendly senorita in about 10 years.heya President HomerThompson,
i think you're spot on in your apathy for this topic, and you're being very realistic.
i don't exactly blame it entirely on the right wing, though they do get to shoulder much of the "credit" for promoting ignorance (and actual hatred) when it comes to this topic.
i just think...ya know...its counter productive to tell people what can and might happen if we continue to treat the planet like its some kind of globe shaped landfill.
you and i (and just about everyone on this forum) will be gone when the ravages of our occupancy come to real fruition - but i wish i could see it. the mass deforestation...the endless miles of dead coral reefs...an acidified ocean that yields no life...the coastal cities, gone.
*ponders*
see, at that point, it won't matter whether folks believe in science or not. their lot will be so fucked up, they're more likely going to be looking for people to blame...
...and the culprits will all be dead.
i agree things are pretty hopeless...BUT...i also think that since we agree that there is no stopping our slide, we might as well enjoy ourselves.
clear cut some rain forest to harvest some rare hardwood and make end tables...litter with abandon (though not on one's own property, because that would be slovenly)...buy an F-150 and drive, drive, drive!, go slaughter the last tiger so you can sell its paws and testicles to the Chinese. stuff like that. just go for it!
i mean, we might as well. that's how i've decided to live my life, at any rate.
- IGIT
I loved this post, but...
*their
I won't go that far but I might look into finding myself a nice cheap beach spot with a friendly senorita in about 10 years.
Excuse my interjection, but The iceberg does not prove anthropogenic global warming and the snowball does not disporve it. You get no points for post-hoc attributions of events. You get points only for correct predictions.
I can understand the skittishness of warmists given their track record (Won't somebody please think of the polar bears!)
My understanding of the anthropomorphic global warming theory is that human burning of fossil fuels is increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide and causing unprecedented increases in temperature by a greenhouse effect.
First, there is nothing that's going to magically happen to prevent sea level rise outside some revolutionary open source clean free energy model or a dynamic natural cooling event.right. you brought up examples of more dramatic climate, in time periods where it could impact virtually no one.
this is make-believe. you imagined that i think we live in such a world.
if the climate was changing, and it was clear that man had 0 impact, and nothing we could do about it, then your points would be valid. it is likely that we've played some role in this recent change, though, and plausible that we could do something about it. regardless, embracing more efficient energy sources is win win win win win.