Arab-Israeli Conflict: The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (and Venezuela) convenes in Istanbul | Page 55

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  1. jeffk Brown Belt

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  2. Possum Jenkins Cultural Marxism Belt

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    No it's not a huge problem because it's not true.

    Anytime there's a UN resolution, it's to stop Israeli attacks, not to discuss how Israel should be dissolved. The ones that want Israel gone have no plan and no diplomatic support. Move the 5 million Jews back to Europe isn't a plan that anyone takes seriously. Stop the illegal settlements and the occupation IS something that everyone takes seriously.
     
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    typical zionist bs. Those camps have a horrible standard of living and you know it. And how could the palis not accpet a peace deal they were not allowed to see. crazy.
     
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  4. berimBOWLoh Red Belt

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    Do you think Arabs would be restrained as Israel with the situation reversed?

    Do you think Muslims would allow Jews access to their holy sites without prejudice like Israel does for Muslims??


    Do you think Muslims would negotiate with patience if it were Mecca in question? You realize Jerusalem is Mecca for Jewish people? If they have no claim to Jerusalem they really have no claim to anything.

    Truthfully Israel has been far more patient and restrained than any other county in recent memory considering the power difference and being attacked multiple times and winning every single time. Israel just basically waits for the next invasion.
     
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    Makes sense, since you think arabs would be worse to jew than sure, lets Israel doo whatever tehy want. Let's do Auschwitz II!
     
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    Concentration camps, Auschwitz..... is all you hot hyperbole and avoiding my questions??

    Tacit concession noted. You would make peace and appease people who don't want peace with you. Sounds like good foreign policy.

    I don't think, Arabs have continually attacked Israel since its inception. That's a fact.
     
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    the palis want peace. they have no partner. Israel, backed by the international zionists, will win in the end, push the palsi into other arab countries.

    I bitch and complain, but in the end, I'm okay, just a goy.
     
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  8. Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    Congress' role is to advice the President on foreign matters, which is ultimately his responsibility. The Embassy Act of 1995 say Jerusalem should be recognized and that the future American embassy should be built there by 1999.

    Most importantly, it includes the waiver option for the sitting President if he does not want to heed that advice.

    But if a President chooses to make that decision, he can be confident that he has full mandate from the representatives of the American people, despite the outrage from the hyper-ventilating media who doesn't even want to talk about the Embassy Act when reporting this new development.

    The constitutionality of the Embassy Act has never been challenged, nor does any President ever want to (for good reasons). They all just pay lip service about how much they supports it during the election phase, and then quietly negate on their campaign promises so they can keep the status quo.

    That status quo (and the shadowplays behind Jerusalem) is no longer viable, especially now that Hamas and Fatah has put aside their differences to form a unity Palestinian government, as Israeli apartments are popping up all over the West Bank like poison mushrooms after the rain.

    It's gonna be painful ripping the bandaid off the illusion, but it's necessary for everyone at the negotiation table to face reality now, once and for all.
     
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    This entire argument is basically fan fiction, but I'll entertain it.

    Let's pretend there was a region of the world full of some of the oldest nations and cultures in the world and they were all Jewish. And let's pretend some, say, South American dictator started murdering a small minority of arabs so much that the whole world went to war over it. Then let's say, after the war, those arabs were transported across the world and given a small plot of land among those established Jewish states that displaced many existing Jews. Let's also pretend that there are no other arab states in the world. Just this one tiny one. Surrounded by powerful Jewish armies. And the arab state's only real allies are pretty far away and kind of hated by most of the Jewish countrues, so there's tons of tension and the arab state knows that if they go to war, they may have to deal with the combined might of several of these Jewish states, many of which are weathy and one of which is nuclear capable.

    Oh, and this arab state has something within their borders that the Jews deem holy and want to freely visit, and allowing them that, despite all the other shit going on, helps maintain peace.

    ...yeah, you're right, it would be SOOO different if the tables were turned because arabs are rabid animals with no sense of self preservation [/sarcasm.]
     
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  10. The ScorpioN "GET OVER HERE!"

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    Describes the modus operandi of groups of Muslims literally anywhere.

    I'm all for Israel expanding its influence and squeezing out horrible ideologies. In the long run it can only be a benefit to the region.
     
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    You're talking to a guy in me that thinks the UN is useless.. no one takes them seriously, even member states don't take them seriously.

    The UN means nothing as they can't enforce anything they decide on.
     
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  13. Possum Jenkins Cultural Marxism Belt

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    Yes, and it's actions like those of the US/Israel that take away its legitimacy.

    But international law is really the only civilized solution to world conflicts. Without it, we have the savagery of the pre-20th century. Countries attack and slaughter the weak (and each other) simply because they want to. This almost got humankind annihilated in WWII so we kinda wised up.
     
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    I don't think you really answered his question. Does a congressional act, on a state department function, have any bearing on reality?
     
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  15. VivaRevolution Double Yellow Card

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    Are you for Israel extending its influence to the US congress, house, and white house?

    That is the question.

    Islam may suck, but if you want to vilify them, you should vilify their governments, like Turkey, saudi arabia, and Pakistan who also buy our politicians.
     
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    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/12/palestinians-ready-sacrifice-jerusalem-171207170900291.html

    Palestinians 'ready to sacrifice' for Jerusalem

    Bethlehem, occupied West Bank - Hundreds of Palestinians marched through Bethlehem in a "day of rage" protest against Donald Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital, as anger over the controversial decision continues to spread across the occupied Palestinian territories.

    Israeli military forces shot tear gas and rubber bullets at Palestinian protesters in Bethlehem on Thursday, and at least seven youths were injured in the clashes, including one small child.

    Men, women and children participated in the march, which was among several held in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem, as well as in major cities across the region, throughout the day.

    Palestinian leaders also declared a general strike across the Palestinian territories.

    "I am seeing people at this protest that never come out to these kinds of demonstration," Rabee Alsos, 32, told Al Jazeera in Bethlehem.

    "Jerusalem and al-Aqsa [Mosque] means a lot to everyone here, even the children. This [US] decision is a big mistake."
     
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    I'm of the opinion they've been neutered since inception. It's not just the US and Israel taking away legitimacy. Even when first created they would "pass resolutions" which a ton of people would just shrug their shoulders and move on.

    Does Israel do fucked up shit that they shouldn't? Yes... But like I said before, it's hard to even sit down at the table with people that abide by the idea you shouldn't even exist.

    Really hate how people bring children, like, legitimate children under 12 years of age type children to shit like this. This isn't just for the Israel shit but in general even for things here in the States and elsewhere. Just feels shortsighted and irresponsible.

    Also, that Mosque may mean a lot to the Palestinians which are largerly Muslim but that site means a lot to all three Abrahamic religions and the clerics of Islam disallow non-Muslims or Infidels from being on the site.

    As a person that doesn't really abide by a religion I can even go to the Vatican and walk around St. Peter's square and the Sistine Chapel... as a non-Muslim I can't go see the Dome as a tourist or go to Mecca to see that. I know this is selfish as fuck sounding but i love looking at the interiors of old Cathedrals and shit to see how they're built. Seeing one of the largest and most recognizable domes in the world from the inside would be cool as fuck but guess what... I can't cause I eat bacon and don't pray 5 times a day.

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    At least I can't enter it for the last 17 years. I know prior to that you could apply for and receive a ticket to get in a view it as a non-Muslim but when the second Intifada began that went away and hasn't come back yet.
     
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    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/12/protests-palestine-jerusalem-move-171207182916247.html

    At least 108 Palestinians have been injured in violent protests across the Occupied Territories after US President Donald Trump formally recognised Jerusalem as Israel's capital on Wednesday.

    Demonstrators in several Palestinian territories have clashed with Israeli troops.

    There have also been protests outside the Old City in occupied East Jerusalem.

    A general strike is in place across the Occupied Territories - closing shops, businesses and schools.

    Al Jazeera's Harry Fawcett reports from East Jerusalem.
     
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    So, this might be a bit off the wall but why hasn't anyone thought to do to Jerusalem what the Italians/Romans did with the Vatican? Turn it essentially into a country in and of itself? They could technically do it where the West Bank (as it was before Israel essentially grabbed that spearpoint of land to Jerusalem) into it's own sitting country ruled, say... by a committee made up equally of Jordanians and Israelis for a time being. One rule though is no one on that committee could have been involved in the wars in the 60s and 70s/80s.

    That I think is a huge issue in this. All of the Israeli leadership ither fought in or were involved in the intelligence aspects of the wars in the 60s-80s, same as the leadership of like the PLO and as such, old grudges are probably still there.
     
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