Arab-Israeli Conflict, v2: What the UN Jerusalem vote mean for Israel, the U.S, and Palestine

[Arkain2K]

To be fair, there are plenty of countries on both sides of this argument that have "questionable records".

 

[Arkain2K]

 

[Rozko]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...assy-to-jerusalem-backing-trump-idUSKBN1EI0LJ

UATEMALA CITY (Reuters) - Guatemalan President Jimmy Morales said on Sunday he had given instructions to move the Central American country’s embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, a few days after his government backed the United States in a row over the city’s status.


This month U.S. President Donald Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, reversing decades of U.S. policy and upsetting the Arab world and Western allies.


The status of Jerusalem is one of the thorniest obstacles to forging a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians, who want East Jerusalem as their capital.

The international community does not recognize Israeli sovereignty over the entire city, home to sites holy to the Muslim, Jewish and Christian religions.

On Thursday, 128 countries defied Trump by backing a non-binding U.N. General Assembly resolution calling for the United States to drop its recognition of Jerusalem.

Guatemala and neighboring Honduras were two of only a handful of countries to join the United States and Israel in voting against the resolution on Jerusalem.

The United States is an important source of assistance to Guatemala and Honduras, and Trump had threatened to cut off financial aid to countries that supported the U.N. resolution.


Morales, a former television comedian with an important base of conservative Christian support, earlier this year became embroiled in a bitter spat with the United Nations when a U.N.-backed anti-corruption body in Guatemala tried to impeach him.

Although Morales avoided impeachment, he failed in an attempt to expel the head of the body, the International Commission against Impunity in Guatemala, after criticism from the United Nations, the United States and the European Union.

 

[Arkain2K]

Israel to formally announce withdrawal from UNESCO
By Eytan Halon | December 23, 2017

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu instructed Israel's ambassador to the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) on Friday to submit a formal letter to the organization's director-general announcing Israel's departure from the UN body.

"The letter will be submitted by Ambassador Carmel Sharma-Hacohen in the coming days, certainly before the end of the year," said Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson Emmanuel Nahshon.

The UNESCO constitution holds that a country's withdrawal from the organization takes effect on 31 December of the year following that during which the notice was given. Accordingly, Israel's departure will become effective on 31 December 2018.

Israel signaled its intention to leave the body in October, hours after the US announced its withdrawal. Netanyahu praised the American declaration, calling it "a brave and moral decision, because UNESCO has become the theater of the absurd and because instead of preserving history, it distorts it."

The US listed "concerns with mounting arrears at UNESCO, the need for fundamental reform in the organization, and continuing anti-Israel bias at UNESCO," as reasons for its departure.

Then-director-general of UNESCO Irina Bokova expressed "profound regret" at the decision. Bokova was succeeded last month by Audrey Azoulay, France's former culture minister, who became the first Jewish head of the agency.

Israel's decision to formally withdraw comes in the immediate aftermath of Thursday's UN General Assembly vote condemning US President Donald Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital, but also following a string of anti-Israel resolutions adopted by the body.

In the past two years, three UNESCO resolutions disavowing Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem have been adopted. In July, UNESCO recognized the Old City of Hebron and the Cave of the Patriarchs as endangered Palestinian world heritage sites.

"That's worse than fake news, that's fake history," Netanyahu stated during his United Nations General Assembly address in September, referring to the Hebron resolution.

According to Channel 10, Sharma-Hacohen is set to meet Azoulay in the coming days and suggest that Israel could still remain within UNESCO, should the organization change its perceived anti-Israel behavior prior to the country's withdrawal becoming effective next year.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Israel-to-formally-announce-withdrawal-from-UNESCO-519816

 

[The Merchant]

Not great, Hamas have already destroyed what i would consider important archaeological sites, If Israel also starts to sour on their preservation just cause of their designation then we'll have another casualty of this war.

I hope the science is being designated via taxonomy as opposed to politics.

 

[splendica]

Israel to formally announce withdrawal from UNESCO
By Eytan Halon | December 23, 2017

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu instructed Israel's ambassador to the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) on Friday to submit a formal letter to the organization's director-general announcing Israel's departure from the UN body.

"The letter will be submitted by Ambassador Carmel Sharma-Hacohen in the coming days, certainly before the end of the year," said Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson Emmanuel Nahshon.

The UNESCO constitution holds that a country's withdrawal from the organization takes effect on 31 December of the year following that during which the notice was given. Accordingly, Israel's departure will become effective on 31 December 2018.

Israel signaled its intention to leave the body in October, hours after the US announced its withdrawal. Netanyahu praised the American declaration, calling it "a brave and moral decision, because UNESCO has become the theater of the absurd and because instead of preserving history, it distorts it."

The US listed "concerns with mounting arrears at UNESCO, the need for fundamental reform in the organization, and continuing anti-Israel bias at UNESCO," as reasons for its departure.

Then-director-general of UNESCO Irina Bokova expressed "profound regret" at the decision. Bokova was succeeded last month by Audrey Azoulay, France's former culture minister, who became the first Jewish head of the agency.

Israel's decision to formally withdraw comes in the immediate aftermath of Thursday's UN General Assembly vote condemning US President Donald Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital, but also following a string of anti-Israel resolutions adopted by the body.

In the past two years, three UNESCO resolutions disavowing Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem have been adopted. In July, UNESCO recognized the Old City of Hebron and the Cave of the Patriarchs as endangered Palestinian world heritage sites.

"That's worse than fake news, that's fake history," Netanyahu stated during his United Nations General Assembly address in September, referring to the Hebron resolution.

According to Channel 10, Sharma-Hacohen is set to meet Azoulay in the coming days and suggest that Israel could still remain within UNESCO, should the organization change its perceived anti-Israel behavior prior to the country's withdrawal becoming effective next year.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Israel-to-formally-announce-withdrawal-from-UNESCO-519816

I think their presence as a bug in the room is better than withdrawal. Seems like an odd decision.

That all said, the absolute hypocrisy and Jew-hate by everything UN related is astounding and sad.

 

[tramendous]

I think their presence as a bug in the room is better than withdrawal. Seems like an odd decision.

That all said, the absolute hypocrisy and Jew-hate by everything UN related is astounding and sad.

Ya its jew hate. Not because Israel is horrible and nobody but conservative christians like them.

 

[The Merchant]

UNESCO's crime seems to recognising the Palestinians. Which is the majority view.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Compulsory military service in in place of paying a tax. You don't see the issue there do you? These are conquored people. We've also been over the Millet System before, stop acting like we haven't. Lastly, you're also ignoring the yearly tribute in young boys to be provided to the Sultan.

You keep dodging from one issue to another when he addresses your points and proves you're wrong. He addresses the Jizya and shows you're wrong, then you pivot to the devshirme and make believe it was about getting young boipussy and not training the elite administrative and military class of the empire. day.

 

[lfd0311]

You keep dodging from one issue to another when he addresses your points and proves you're wrong. He addresses the Jizya and shows you're wrong, then you pivot to the devshirme and make believe it was about getting young boipussy and not training the elite administrative and military class of the empire. day.

You should look up "the Black Legend" of Spain. I'm almost certain you and I have had this exact conversation before, yet you're still putting forth this exact argument even though you know it isn't true.

And the Jannissaries were the product of a tribute paid from specifically christian lands. Boys who were deemed "pretty" enough were put into the Sultan's harem. I'm sure you know what that means.[/QUOTE]

You must have missed this part. The last thing he did was "show where I was wrong". The man he's quoting, Abu Yusif, died about 600 hundred years before the Ottoman Empire was founded. He isn't a very good source of informaton on how either the Millet System of Jizyah was placed upon the Ottomans. Traemendous and I have had this exact same discussion a number of times.

 

[Islam Imamate]

You must have missed this part. The last thing he did was "show where I was wrong". The man he's quoting, Abu Yusif, died about 600 hundred years before the Ottoman Empire was founded. He isn't a very good source of informaton on how either the Millet System of Jizyah was placed upon the Ottomans. Traemendous and I have had this exact same discussion a number of times.

Abu Yusuf is a Hanafi judge and the Ottomans privileged the Hanafi school of jurisprudence so its not entirely irrelevant. The idea that the experience of the jizayh or the millet system is a case of forced conversion is a stretch.

 

[lfd0311]

Abu Yusuf is a Hanafi judge and the Ottomans privileged the Hanafi school of jurisprudence so its not entirely irrelevant. The idea that the experience of the jizayh or the millet system is a case of forced conversion is a stretch.

So is condencing the 600 years between Abu Yusuf and the start of the Ottoman Empire into a single sentence as if not much changed in that time. Islam spread the way it did specifically because of forced conversions and harsh enforcement of jizyah. You have to take into account that there are two sides to everything. Theory and practice.