International Arab-Israeli Conflict, v3: Israel approves new permanent US embassy site in West Jerusalem

No that was you. What worries me is that, that doesn't fly. Arguing it was/is OK to take over the land because Palestine was never a state or it wasn't stolen cos they didn't own it is bullshit, people had deeds for the land under the Ottomans and British, and only what, 6% were Jewish owned. People lived there.

People that pretend Jews don't have claim to this land are straight up ignorant and/or lying. "Jew" marks the land everywhere - from architecture, Biblical historical sites to massive ancient graveyards.

https://flashbak.com/photos-of-palestine-and-israel-1930-1949-24753/
 
People that pretend Jews don't have claim to this land are straight up ignorant and/or lying. "Jew" marks the land everywhere - from architecture, Biblical historical sites to massive ancient graveyards.

https://flashbak.com/photos-of-palestine-and-israel-1930-1949-24753/
So because Jews controlled an area of land for a tiny part of its history 2000 years ago, that gives them a legitimate claim to the land now, come on, be serious. There are Christian marks on the land every where too, when do their legitimate claims come back round?
 
broaching the subject the way he does, & his poor "debate" skills, leads me to wonder who @splendica is, or was prior to this account.

his "I'm right & you're both stupid & wrong" posting style is what sets off the red alerts.

hmm..

@Kafir-kun

care to take a guess?
 
Israeli Defense Ministry drafts bill to cut PA funds over terrorist stipends
By Marissa Newman | 9 January 2018

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Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, second from left, waves with released Palestinian prisoners coming from Israeli jails during celebrations at Abbas's headquarters in the West Bank town of Ramallah, October 30, 2013

The Defense Ministry on Tuesday publicized a draft bill that would deduct welfare payments paid out by the Palestinian Authority to Palestinian prisoners and their families from the tax revenues Israel transfers annually to the PA.

“The Palestinian Authority pays over a billion shekels a year to terrorists and their relatives, thereby encouraging and perpetuating terrorism,” Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman saidin a statement. “The moment the payments are set based on the severity of the crime and the prison sentence, namely that those who murder and are sentenced to life receive a lot more, this is [tantamount to] funding terror attacks against Israelis.”

The bill, which targets cash payments by the PA to jailed or injured terrorists and their relatives, will also apply to Palestinians who committed other crimes for which they are being compensated by the PA, the ministry said in a statement.

The Palestine Liberation Organization gives monthly payments to all Palestinian prisoners jailed in Israel, no matter the reason for their incarceration, and also to families of so-called “martyrs” — a term used by the PLO to refer to anyone killed by an Israeli, whether the person was killed attacking Israelis or an innocent bystander.

A recent report published by the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT), the Israeli Defense Ministry agency responsible for administering civilian affairs in the West Bank and the crossings with Gaza, said that around one-third of the Palestinian prisoners are “directly responsible for the murder of Israelis.”

According to the Defense Ministry, the Palestinian Authority in 2017 paid NIS 687 million ($198 million) to the so-called “martyrs’ families fund” and NIS 550 million ($160 million) to the Palestinian Prisoners’ Club — some 7 percent of its overall budget.

Palestinian security prisoners serving 20-30 year sentences for carrying out terror attacks are eligible for a lifetime NIS 10,000 ($1,900) monthly stipend, the Defense Ministry said, citing PA figures. Those prisoners who receive a 3-5 year sentence get a monthly wage of NIS 2,000 ($580). Palestinian prisoners who are married, have children, live in Jerusalem, or hold Israeli citizenship receive additional payments.

“For illustrative purposes, the average salary in the West Bank stands at just over NIS 2,000 ($580) a month,” the Defense Ministry said.

According to the proposed legislation, each year the defense minister will convene a ministerial panel to tally the deductions from the tax funds gathered for the PA. Under an economic agreement signed in 1994, Israel transfers to the PA tens of millions of dollars each year in customs duties levied on goods destined for Palestinian markets that transit through Israeli ports.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/defense-ministry-drafts-bill-to-cut-pa-funds-over-terrorist-stipends/
 
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Israeli Defense Ministry drafts bill to cut PA funds over terrorist stipends
By Marissa Newman | 9 January 2018

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Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, second from left, waves with released Palestinian prisoners coming from Israeli jails during celebrations at Abbas's headquarters in the West Bank town of Ramallah, October 30, 2013

The Defense Ministry on Tuesday publicized a draft bill that would deduct welfare payments paid out by the Palestinian Authority to Palestinian prisoners and their families from the tax revenues Israel transfers annually to the PA.

“The Palestinian Authority pays over a billion shekels a year to terrorists and their relatives, thereby encouraging and perpetuating terrorism,” Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman saidin a statement. “The moment the payments are set based on the severity of the crime and the prison sentence, namely that those who murder and are sentenced to life receive a lot more, this is [tantamount to] funding terror attacks against Israelis.”

The bill, which targets cash payments by the PA to jailed or injured terrorists and their relatives, will also apply to Palestinians who committed other crimes for which they are being compensated by the PA, the ministry said in a statement.

The Palestine Liberation Organization gives monthly payments to all Palestinian prisoners jailed in Israel, no matter the reason for their incarceration, and also to families of so-called “martyrs” — a term used by the PLO to refer to anyone killed by an Israeli, whether the person was killed attacking Israelis or an innocent bystander.

A recent report published by the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT), the Israeli Defense Ministry agency responsible for administering civilian affairs in the West Bank and the crossings with Gaza, said that around one-third of the Palestinian prisoners are “directly responsible for the murder of Israelis.”

According to the Defense Ministry, the Palestinian Authority in 2017 paid NIS 687 million ($198 million) to the so-called “martyrs’ families fund” and NIS 550 million ($160 million) to the Palestinian Prisoners’ Club — some 7 percent of its overall budget.

Palestinian security prisoners serving 20-30 year sentences for carrying out terror attacks are eligible for a lifetime NIS 10,000 ($1,900) monthlystipend, the Defense Ministry said, citing PA figures. Those prisoners who receive a 3-5 year sentence get a monthly wage of NIS 2,000 ($580). Palestinian prisoners who are married, have children, live in Jerusalem, or hold Israeli citizenship receive additional payments.

“For illustrative purposes, the average salary in the West Bank stands at just over NIS 2,000 ($580) a month,” the Defense Ministry said.

According to the proposed legislation, each year the defense minister will convene a ministerial panel to tally the deductions from the tax funds gathered for the PA. Under an economic agreement signed in 1994, Israel transfers to the PA tens of millions of dollars each year in customs duties levied on goods destined for Palestinian markets that transit through Israeli ports.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/defense-ministry-drafts-bill-to-cut-pa-funds-over-terrorist-stipends/
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End the occupation, the right of return which is guaranteed by international law must be implemented, free, fair and internationally monitored elections throughout the entire process...

problem solved.
 
Israeli Defense Ministry drafts bill to cut PA funds over terrorist stipends
By Marissa Newman | 9 January 2018

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Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, second from left, waves with released Palestinian prisoners coming from Israeli jails during celebrations at Abbas's headquarters in the West Bank town of Ramallah, October 30, 2013









https://www.timesofisrael.com/defense-ministry-drafts-bill-to-cut-pa-funds-over-terrorist-stipends/

Yeah, I'm pretty critical of Israel, but paying 'martyrs', in a place of abject poverty, is proof they don't want peace.

If I am critical of the settlements, I have to be critical of this as well.
 
Yeah, I'm pretty critical of Israel, but paying 'martyrs', in a place of abject poverty, is proof they don't want peace.

If I am critical of the settlements, I have to be critical of this as well.

Bingo.
 
Yeah, I'm pretty critical of Israel, but paying 'martyrs', in a place of abject poverty, is proof they don't want peace.

If I am critical of the settlements, I have to be critical of this as well.

Absolutely.
 
For Refugee Week 2016, we wanted to highlight the plight of the largest group of refugees in the world (numbering approximately 6 million), and our call for the Right of Return by sharing some reflections from a recent study tour visit to Aida Refugee Camp, established in 1950 close to Bethlehem, Palestine, and home to more than 5,500 Palestinian refugees.


During our study tour we visited Aida Refugee Camp, home of one of the students we had met earlier in the week. This camp is subject to frequent incursions by the Israeli Occupying Forces (IOF). Shortly before our visit, on one of these incursions, a soldier had addressed the camp’s residents with the following message (in Arabic): ‘People of Aida refugee camp, we are the occupation army. If you throw stones, we will hit you with gas until you all die – the youth, the children, the old people, you will all die.


https://icahd.org/2016/06/09/a-visit-to-aida-refugee-camp/
 
For Refugee Week 2016, we wanted to highlight the plight of the largest group of refugees in the world (numbering approximately 6 million), and our call for the Right of Return by sharing some reflections from a recent study tour visit to Aida Refugee Camp, established in 1950 close to Bethlehem, Palestine, and home to more than 5,500 Palestinian refugees.


During our study tour we visited Aida Refugee Camp, home of one of the students we had met earlier in the week. This camp is subject to frequent incursions by the Israeli Occupying Forces (IOF). Shortly before our visit, on one of these incursions, a soldier had addressed the camp’s residents with the following message (in Arabic): ‘People of Aida refugee camp, we are the occupation army. If you throw stones, we will hit you with gas until you all die – the youth, the children, the old people, you will all die.


https://icahd.org/2016/06/09/a-visit-to-aida-refugee-camp/
Sounds like a load of BS to me. Not to mention that they'd never refer to themselves as anything other than the IDF.
 
Yeah, I'm pretty critical of Israel, but paying 'martyrs', in a place of abject poverty, is proof they don't want peace.

If I am critical of the settlements, I have to be critical of this as well.

There are some weirdos in this thread who might think that view is "unfair", as if there's always been a "good guy" who have never done anything wrong, and a "bad guy" who's solely responsible the Arab-Israeli Conflict.

There are plenty of blames to go around in this tragic comedy, and the situation will never improve if neither side is willing to acknowledge that they're both doing their best to keep it going.
 
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Will Israel cut Palestinian budget for terror payouts?
Shlomi Eldar January 11, 2018

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On Jan. 9, the Israeli Defense Ministry published the total cash stipends in 2017 that the Palestinian Authority (PA) dispensed to the families of Palestinian prisoners incarcerated in Israel and to the families of Palestinian assailants either wounded or killed in the course of terror acts against Israel. The information was published as part of a legislative bill proposed by Knesset member Elazar Stern of Yesh Atid. The bill is aimed to prevent the PA from extending cash stipends to terrorists and their families. The government supports the bill.

According to the proposed law, at the end of every year, the defense minister will bring a report to the security Cabinet summarizing the cash stipends that the PA gives to terrorists and their families. This sum will then be deducted from the funds that the PA receives from Israel.

Stern began to collect data and promote the bill simultaneously with the advancement of the Taylor Force Act in the United States. The US act is being advanced by the father of a young man, an American citizen named Taylor Force, who was murdered by a Palestinian when he visited Israel in March 2016. The Taylor Force Act states that the United States will halt its monetary aid to the PA as long as the PA pays stipends to the families of terrorists.

Israel has a tool that is even faster and more efficient in regards to the PA: It can deduct monies from the tax revenues it collects and then transfers to the Palestinians. If and when Stern's bill is ratified in the Knesset, Israel will be able to deduct the sums that the defense ministry claims were paid by the PA to families of terrorists.

This is the first time that the scope of the PA's stipends to the families of prisoners and those who commit terror acts was released to the public. However, Qadura Fares, the head of the PA Prisoners' Club in the West Bank, claims that the sums in question are baseless and intended only to cause the collapse of the PA and the fall of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. Fares told Al-Monitor that Fatah activists do not release information regarding the sums of money that are paid. In fact, he says, there is no permanent, agreed-upon tariff, because the stipends vary from one family to another.

Fares' assessment was that "discontinuation of the stipends to Palestinian fighters would be an act of suicide," and that Abbas could never allow himself to carry out such a move. "The day that he stops the payments, he'll fall," Fares ruled.

People in Israel view these stipends as the underwriting of terror. It should be noted that prisoners identified with Hamas or the Palestinian Islamic Jihad do not receive stipends from the PA, but from their own organizations. According to data published by B'Tselem on Jan. 3, about 6,000 Palestinian prisoners are incarcerated in Israeli prisons today. That figure includes those imprisoned for life who are not affiliated with any organization, such as Hakim and Amjad Awad, who murdered the Fogel family in 2011. The Awad family receives about 10,000 shekels every month, according to the Israeli Defense Ministry.

A Fatah official told Al-Monitor that the timing of the Israeli legislative bill and Israel's intention to cut the PA's budget by use of data that he calls "fraudulent and unfounded" is designed to harm the PA. Talking on condition of anonymity, the official said that Liberman consistently tries to inflict harm on Abbas, whom he hates, while adopting a policy of restraint vis-a-vis Gaza. The Fatah official said that is because Liberman desires to replace Abbas with "another Palestinian personality." The Fatah official may be referring to former Fatah senior member Mohammed Dahlan. Rumors had floated in the past that Liberman preferred Dahlan as Palestinian president instead of Abbas.

Many senior Fatah officials ascribe a series of conspiracy theories to Israel and the United States. Be that as it may, while Israel and the United States view the Taylor Force Act and Knesset member Stern's proposed law as defensive, justified and necessary actions, the Palestinians interpret these as a plot against the PA and especially against the man who heads it, Mahmoud Abbas.

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/or...an-palestine-prisoners-incitement-terror.html
 
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