International [Arab-Israeli Conflict, v4] Israel Sets Goal of Doubling the Jewish Population on the Golan Heights

I’d say nuke the whole Middle East, but I’m clearly joking.
 
Trump endorses separate Palestinian state as goal of Mideast peace talks
By Anne Gearan and Ruth Eglash | September 26

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NEW YORK — President Trump hopes to release his Middle East peace plan within two to four months and conclude a deal between Israel and the Palestinians, if one can be made, during his first term in office, he said Wednesday.

Sitting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Trump said he prefers an outcome that would give Palestinians a separate state. That is the most specific he has been about what he wants to help negotiate.

“I like two-state solution,” Trump said. “That’s what I think works best.”

A separate Palestinian state alongside Israel has been the stated goal of U.S. peacemaking efforts for two decades, but the Trump administration had until now declined to endorse it.

Trump had said previously that he would support a two-state outcome if that was what both sides wanted.

“I really believe something will happen. It is a dream of mine to be able to get that done before the end of my first term,” Trump said before he and Netanyahu met on the sidelines of the annual U.N. General Assembly.

At a news conference later Wednesday, Trump expanded on his preference for two states, observing that “in one way it’s more difficult, because it’s a real estate deal,” but “in another way it works better because you have people governing themselves.”

He called himself “a facilitator” who would help the two sides reach the deal they both prefer.

“I think probably two-state is more likely, but you know what? If they do a single, if they do a double, I’m okay with it if they’re both happy,” he said.

During their meeting, Trump put the Israeli leader on the spot by saying that his decision last year to move the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to contested Jerusalem must be reciprocated by Israeli concessions to the Palestinians.

“Israel will have to do something that will be good for the other side,” Trump said in response to questions from reporters.

Netanyahu did not respond. He has endorsed the goal of two states in the past, but members of his right-wing coalition oppose the idea.

Naftali Bennett, Israel’s right-wing education minister, immediately tweeted that his Jewish Home Party “is part of Israel’s Government, there will not be a Palestinian state which would be a disaster for Israel.”

Trump called the Jerusalem embassy move “probably the biggest chip” on the negotiating table. By removing it, Trump said, he had cleared the way for talks without one of the major obstacles that have sunk past peace efforts. He did not say how he wants Jerusalem’s status to be resolved, and he did not mention the Palestinian demand that a future state have its capital in East Jerusalem.

Trump said the plan will probably be released in “two, three, four months.”

That timeline — beginning after the November midterm election — is also more specific than Trump’s advisers have been about the next steps for a package deal that has been largely complete for months.

The plan, headed by Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and adviser, is expected to address all the major issues in the seven-decade-old conflict. Trump said it will contain ideas that have not been tried before.

Trump predicted that the Palestinians will “100 percent” come to the bargaining table and said both sides want a deal.

Palestinian leaders have boycotted the Trump administration since December, when the president announced that the United States would now consider Jerusalem the capital of Israel.

The Trump administration said the announcement does not prejudge Palestinian claims to East Jerusalem or address the status of holy sites, but Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said the move proved that Trump cannot be trusted to broker a fair deal.

Trump said he would like the agreement to be “solid, understood by both sides — really, semi-agreed to by both sides,” before formal negotiations begin.

Netanyahu thanked Trump for the embassy move, saying, “You changed history and you touched our hearts.”

The U.S. Embassy had been in Tel Aviv, about an hour’s drive away, so as not to show favoritism to either side.

“The Palestinians can have powers to govern themselves but they can’t have the powers to threaten Israel,” Netanyahu said in a news briefing with Israeli media outlets Wednesday. “Peace means that all hostilities cease, not giving the Palestinians means to escalate the conflict.”

Netanyahu’s goals for the meeting with Trump were more focused on Iran and new tensions with Russia over a downed Russian jet in Syria and the transfer of Russian S300 missiles to the Syrian army that could challenge Israel’s military advantage over its neighbors.

He did not make any public commitments to Trump about the peace plan or possible negotiations.

Israeli opposition leader Tzipi Livni, who led failed negotiations in President George W. Bush’s second term, met Tuesday night with Abbas in New York and urged him to reopen diplomatic channels with the United States.

“I welcome Trump’s words and the two things he said about the future of Israel — the steadfastness of the United States alongside Israel’s security and its support for the two-state solution. Both are important for our future,” Livni said.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...b1e46bb3bc7_story.html?utm_term=.099c19797246
 
If trump pulls this off will it be the most racist or sexist thing he’s ever done?
 
The fuck is this horseshit?




Israel is arbitrarily imposing fines on foreign nationals who criticize their country?


It is believed to be the first effective use of a 2011 Israeli law allowing civil lawsuits of anyone who encourages a boycott of Israel.

The Israeli teenagers claimed their “artistic welfare” was damaged because of the cancellation and that they suffered “damage to their good name as Israelis and Jews”.
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I'm sure that the free speech absolutists like Ben Shapiro, Sam Harris and Dave Rubin will be all over this. (LOL)
 
Phisher said:
I'm sure that the free speech absolutists like Ben Shapiro, Sam Harris and Dave Rubin will be all over this. (LOL)
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Of course not. Shapiro is an obvious Zionist shill but so is Harris. His blog post on why he doesn't criticize Israel is so terrible he had to back and add a bunch of corrections and clarifications to it because he embarrassed himself so much.

That said nice to see Trump at least mention the two state solution, though at this point I think its dead in the water.
 
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Kafir-kun said:
Of course not. Shapiro is an obvious Zionist shill but so is Harris. His blog post on why he doesn't criticize Israel is so terrible he had to back and add a bunch of corrections and clarifications to it beaus he embarrassed himself so much.

That said nice to see Trump at least mention the two state solution, though at this point I think its dead in the water.
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I say let Gaza and west bank be two countries
 
Jordan seeks to end Israel land lease
October 21, 2018

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Jordan says it plans to end a lease of two areas of land to Israel that was agreed in annexes to the 1994 peace treaty between the two countries.

The areas are Naharayim in the north and Tzofar in the south, known as Baqura and Ghamr in Arabic.

The lease governing them was for 25 years and had been due for renewal.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that Israel would negotiate over "extending the current arrangement".

Earlier King Abdullah of Jordan issued a statement saying it wanted to end the lease, which has seen the two areas, covering a total of about 405 hectares (1,000 acres), cultivated by Israeli farmers.

The areas had always been a "top priority" for Jordan and the decision was based on "our keenness to take whatever is necessary for Jordan and Jordanians", the statement said.

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Under the terms of the annex to the peace deal, the lease would be extended automatically unless one party gave notice a year before the lease ended, leading to talks on the matter.

Reacting to the Jordanian announcement, Mr Netanyahu said that the whole peace deal between Israel and Jordan was "important and valuable to both countries".

Israel's Jerusalem Post newspaper reported that Israel could use the deal that allows planes travelling between Europe and Jordan to fly over Israel as leverage in persuading Jordan to renew the lease.

Meanwhile the Yediot Aharanot newspaper quoted Eyal Bloom, a local official in southern Israel, as saying that the Tzofar area was important for Israel's security and 30 Israeli farms would collapse if Jordan reclaimed it.

Why would Jordan want to end the lease?

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King Abdullah has been under pressure from Jordanian MPs and the Jordanian public not to renew the lease for the two areas. Eighty-seven Jordanian MPs have signed a petition urging an end to the lease.

Last Friday protesters in the Jordanian capital Amman called for the lease to be ended and campaigns have also taken place on social media.

It follows recent strains in the relationship between Jordan and Israel over issues including the status of Jerusalem and the lack of progress on a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-45933805
 
Top Hamas commander, Israeli soldier among dead in fresh Gaza clashes
By Frank Miles | 11/11/2018

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A senior Hamas militant and an Israeli soldier were among those killed Sunday evening as a new round of fighting broke out in the Gaza Strip.

The Israeli military initially reported an "exchange of fire" had taken place during operational activity in Gaza and said that "all IDF soldiers back in Israel." It later clarified that one soldier was killed in the exchange and a second was moderately injured.

Hamas' armed wing, the Qassam Brigades, claimed that Israeli undercover forces in a civilian vehicle infiltrated two miles into Gaza and fatally shot one of its commanders, identified as Nour el-Deen Baraka. It said militants discovered the car and chased it down, prompting Israeli airstrikes that killed "a number of people." The Palestinian Health Ministry said six people, including at least five militants, were killed and seven others wounded. In Israel, the military said it had intercepted two rockets fired from Gaza as air raid sirens continued to sound.

Israeli media reported that Baraka was closely involved in Hamas' tunnel program, which the group uses to smuggle arms and supplies out of the Gaza Strip as well as conduct attacks inside the Jewish state.

Tal Russo, a retired IDF general, told Israel's Channel 10 that the fighting likely stemmed from an intelligence-gathering mission gone awry.

"Activities that most civilians aren’t aware of happen all the time, every night and in every region," Russo said, according to the Times of Israel. "This action ... wasn’t an assassination attempt. We have other ways of assassinating people and we know how to do it much more elegantly."

Sunday’s exchange of fire came as Israel and Gaza’s Hamas rulers appeared to be making progress toward an unofficial cease-fire.

Israel last week allowed Qatar to deliver $15 million to Hamas, while Hamas scaled back its weekly demonstration along the Israeli border.

The payment is part of what is expected to be a set of informal understandings between Israel and Hamas reached through Egyptian and U.N. mediation.

Hamas is demanding an expansion of the permissible fishing zone off the Israeli-controlled Gaza coast, uninterrupted flow of fuel to mitigate chronic power shortages and the lifting of Israeli restrictions on exports and imports. In return, Israel wants quiet and an end to the border protests.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told reporters Sunday that the money was “the right step” at the moment, and that he was committed to restoring quiet along the Israel-Gaza frontier and preventing a humanitarian crisis in the coastal Palestinian territory.

“Every action, without exception, has a price,” he said. “If you can’t handle the price you cannot lead. And I can handle the price.”

Later, at a press conference in Paris, when asked about his longer-term vision for Gaza, Netanyahu said there could be no political resolution as long as Hamas is in power.

“You can’t have a political resolution with those who are committed to your dissolution, to your destruction. That’s absurd,” he said. The alternative is to “do the minimal things necessary to maintain our security and to prevent the collapse of the humanitarian situation,” he added.

Israeli media reported through Twitter that Netyanhu would cut short his trip to Paris and return to Israeli Sunday evening. Netanyahu was in Paris along with dozens of world leaders to commemorate the centenary of the end of World War I.

Sunday’s development shattered what appeared to be a turning point after months of bloodshed along the Israel-Gaza border, with weekly Hamas-led protests drawing thousands to the perimeter fence with Israel. More than 160 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli fire in the border protests, in which Palestinians throw rocks, burning tires and grenades toward Israeli troops.

Hamas has been leading the protests since March 30 in a bid to ease a crippling Israeli-Egyptian blockade that was imposed in 2007 to weaken the militant group. The blockade has led to over 50 percent unemployment and chronic power outages and prevents most Gazans from being able to leave the tiny territory.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/top-hamas-commander-israeli-soldier-among-dead-in-fresh-gaza-clashes
 
Isreal usually kills commanders to create a dust up. They know Hamas has to respond to save face. Isreal will then use this Hamas response to claim self defense and ratchet up a very limited conflict.

They call it "mowing the grass".

Bomb things they wanted to bomb for years. Like any suspected weapons storage sites next to hospitals or in neighborhoods.

Also, this is great for domestic political consumption. They haven't been able to bomb Syria freely due to the new S300 and fear of Russian response after Russian blamed them for causing their reconnoissance plane to be shot down.
 
Hamas Steps Back From All-Out War With Israel
Gaza’s ruling party said it would abide by a cease-fire if Israel did the same
By Felicia Schwartz and Dov Lieber | Nov. 13, 2018

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ASHKELON, Israel—Egypt has mediated a cease-fire between Hamas and Israel in Gaza, according to Hamas officials, as an intense exchange of fire between the two sides halted Tuesday amid hopes that a wider war between them could be averted.

The development comes after an outbreak of violence, with Hamas launching more than 450 rockets since Monday afternoon and Israel responding with airstrikes.

The clashes followed what Israel said was an intelligence operation gone awry at the weekend in Gaza that left seven Palestinian militants and an Israeli military officer dead.

On Tuesday afternoon, the attacks ceased after Egypt negotiated the truce, said Hamas. Israel didn’t respond to requests for comment on the cease-fire. The Israeli government has refused to confirm or deny previous such deals agreed in Gaza but several hours of calm followed the announcement.

The agreement appears to be separate from efforts by Egypt and the United Nations to negotiate a more durable cessation of hostilities in Gaza. Until this latest round of violence, both sides appeared close to reaching a longer term truce that would allow more aid to flow into a collapsing Gazan economy.

In retaliation for Sunday’s raid, Hamas launched more than 450 rockets and mortars into Israel—the most since the 2014 war—striking residential buildings close to the border with Gaza in Ashkelon and Netivot. Israel’s military said its Iron Dome defense system intercepted more than 100 of the projectiles. In turn, Israel targeted over 160 Hamas and Islamic Jihad targets in Gaza, including the Al Aqsa TV station, which Israel’s government said was being used for incitement, and an internal security building.

Hamas’s military wing had earlier warned that it would expand its rocket campaign deeper into Israel if Israel “continues its aggression.”

Israel’s security cabinet met for nearly six hours on Tuesday to discuss the latest escalation, and issued a statement afterward saying it directed the military to continue operations as necessary. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was trying to balance preventing the fourth war with Gaza since 2007 with increased pressure from others in his cabinet to deal a decisive blow against Hamas, which rules Gaza.

Gideon Sa’ar, a member of Mr. Netanyahu’s Likud party on Tuesday told Israel’s Army Radio that the prime minister’s response has made Israel look weak and wouldn’t produce calm. He urged Mr. Netanyahu to hit Hamas harder.

Israel described its operation in Gaza on Sunday as a botched intelligence gathering mission.

Tensions between Israel and Hamas have flared since March, when Gazans began weekly protests at the border fence demanding the right to return to land that is now in Israel. Israel says such a move would threaten its Jewish majority. Israeli fire has killed more than 200 people since demonstrations began, according to Gaza’s health ministry.

Israel says the weekly protests at the fence are often violent and that it must use live fire to protect its border from infiltrations and its people from attacks launched into Israel. Gazans have burned thousands of acres of Israeli farmland with improvised incendiary devices floated over the border on balloons and kites.

There have been several heavy exchanges of fire in recent months between the two sides, but the latest round was the largest and most sustained.

Four Palestinian militants were killed in the strikes, including two members of Islamic Jihad and two members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Three others were also killed, according to Gaza’s Ministry of Health. Israel said one was part of a squad launching projectiles into Israel.

At least one rocket directly hit an apartment building in Ashkelon Monday night, killing a 48-year-old Palestinian man and critically injuring two women.

Israeli authorities identified the dead man as Mohammed Abdel Hamid Abu Isbah from a village near Hebron, and said he had a permit to work and stay in Israel.

Shlomit Hayat, 38, who lives a few blocks away from the site of the rocket strike, said she doesn’t want war but isn’t sure there is an alternative.

“We are living in fear. We don’t sleep. We aren’t living. We must do something in order to make this stop,” she said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hopes-...s-towards-war-with-israel-1542118936?mod=e2fb
 
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The historical narratives need to stay out negotiations for peace. They are so far apart that they are unbridgeable at this point.

Jewish Israelis generally see the creation or recreation of Israel as the ultimate sense of self defense. Jews now have the right of self determination and have a place of refuge from either the whims of a leader in the Muslim lands. or from long time anti semitism in the Christian world. Yes, they generally treated better in the Muslim world but they were often treated as second class or other times treated more poorly.

The Palestinians see the same history as a disaster that they had no say in. A lot of Palestinian identity rests on the nabka.

So often the conflict is seen at different time frames. The Palestinians see the conflict in terms of 1948 and still do not accept the idea of a Jewish sovereign state. The Israelis have a number of different opinions but generally they see it as a conflict between two peoples who both have national ambitions and see 1967 as the reference frame to bargain for peace. There are many Palestinians who see it that way too but will refuse to bargain what they see as a sacred like right to return to what would be inside Israel the state of the Jewish people since they see resolving the historical injustice of 1948.
 
Israel under Bibi has no real strategy toward Palestinians.

And Abbas and Hamas have no real strategy with how to move forward to be in a a better situation with Israel.

Until new leaders come into power I don’t see things changing much. Abbas is an old dude and don’t know how long he will last. He never groomed anyone to take his spot so it will be instilled see what happens after he goes. How much real power he has now is debatable.
 
Here’s simple solution
Israel makes a bunch of cardboard cutouts of people and they can launch rockets at those
Use that as a buffer zone
Palestinians will be let in once a month to stab them too
 
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