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https://www.boxingscene.com/new-ballot-arrives-its-time-clean-out-hall-closet--132575
Saw this on boxingscene and was wondering what people think?
Lyle Fitzsimmons wrote the article about the HOF being for the "All Time Greats" and how these guys would be in the "Hall of All Time Goods"
Also notice that in his Ken Norton spot he also mentioned Joe Frazier would be in there.
What you say?
Bobby Chacon (inducted 2005): I get it. The guy's back story was ridiculously compelling. Frightful beatings. Dramatic comebacks. Life reinventions. But look beyond the obvious action value of his fights and there's not much to warrant an immortal tag. A one-defense reign at 126 pounds, KO losses to a pair of 130-pound champions followed by another one-defense reign a decade later. Wrap it up with a three-round beatdown by Ray Mancini and it’s thanks for the memories, but no bronze plaque.
Pipino Cuevas (inducted 2002): Quick... what's your most vivid memory of the former WBA welterweight champion? My guess is anyone who didn't say his spaghetti-legged KO loss to Thomas Hearns in August 1980 had it second only to the four-round stoppage by Roberto Duran in a battle of ex-titlists 29 months later. In my eyes, if your two biggest moments in the ring were blowout losses to actual Hall of Famers, perhaps you shouldn't really be called one yourself.
Arturo Gatti (inducted 2013): If there's a more criminally overrated non-heavyweight inductee, I'd love to get his name. And as great a trilogy as “Thunder” put on against Micky Ward – yes, I'm aware that he won two – there's simply not enough to translate Gatti from the Jersey Shore to Central New York. A pair of fights against Hall-worthy foes (De La Hoya, Mayweather) yielded stoppage losses, and even the conquests listed on his IBHOF bio (Leonard Dorin, Wilson Rodriguez?!?) indicate an overblown acclaim.
Ken Norton (inducted 1992): Somewhere, when they do build the “Hall of All-Time Good,” the awkward Marine from San Diego will have a front-hallway shrine right alongside Joe Frazier's. But when it comes to the actual Hall, he just doesn't deserve his own place. Winning one of three close ones against Muhammad Ali and none against any other enshrinees -- not to mention three KO losses in two rounds or fewer – might make him a top-five contender, but he's not close to a Hall of Famer.
Dwight Muhammad Qawi (inducted 2004): I won't lie. This dude was one of my favorites. His KO Magazine poster was on my wall. I didn’t miss a fight between Saad Muhammad and Spinks and I looked on with car-crash interest when he kept grinding against Holyfield and Foreman. But let's be serious. He erased a fading action hero, beat two retreads and laid an egg in a chance at 175-pound glory on HBO. Winning a cruiser title and beating Leon Spinks hardly makes a mountain of that molehill.
Saw this on boxingscene and was wondering what people think?
Lyle Fitzsimmons wrote the article about the HOF being for the "All Time Greats" and how these guys would be in the "Hall of All Time Goods"
Also notice that in his Ken Norton spot he also mentioned Joe Frazier would be in there.
What you say?
Bobby Chacon (inducted 2005): I get it. The guy's back story was ridiculously compelling. Frightful beatings. Dramatic comebacks. Life reinventions. But look beyond the obvious action value of his fights and there's not much to warrant an immortal tag. A one-defense reign at 126 pounds, KO losses to a pair of 130-pound champions followed by another one-defense reign a decade later. Wrap it up with a three-round beatdown by Ray Mancini and it’s thanks for the memories, but no bronze plaque.
Pipino Cuevas (inducted 2002): Quick... what's your most vivid memory of the former WBA welterweight champion? My guess is anyone who didn't say his spaghetti-legged KO loss to Thomas Hearns in August 1980 had it second only to the four-round stoppage by Roberto Duran in a battle of ex-titlists 29 months later. In my eyes, if your two biggest moments in the ring were blowout losses to actual Hall of Famers, perhaps you shouldn't really be called one yourself.
Arturo Gatti (inducted 2013): If there's a more criminally overrated non-heavyweight inductee, I'd love to get his name. And as great a trilogy as “Thunder” put on against Micky Ward – yes, I'm aware that he won two – there's simply not enough to translate Gatti from the Jersey Shore to Central New York. A pair of fights against Hall-worthy foes (De La Hoya, Mayweather) yielded stoppage losses, and even the conquests listed on his IBHOF bio (Leonard Dorin, Wilson Rodriguez?!?) indicate an overblown acclaim.
Ken Norton (inducted 1992): Somewhere, when they do build the “Hall of All-Time Good,” the awkward Marine from San Diego will have a front-hallway shrine right alongside Joe Frazier's. But when it comes to the actual Hall, he just doesn't deserve his own place. Winning one of three close ones against Muhammad Ali and none against any other enshrinees -- not to mention three KO losses in two rounds or fewer – might make him a top-five contender, but he's not close to a Hall of Famer.
Dwight Muhammad Qawi (inducted 2004): I won't lie. This dude was one of my favorites. His KO Magazine poster was on my wall. I didn’t miss a fight between Saad Muhammad and Spinks and I looked on with car-crash interest when he kept grinding against Holyfield and Foreman. But let's be serious. He erased a fading action hero, beat two retreads and laid an egg in a chance at 175-pound glory on HBO. Winning a cruiser title and beating Leon Spinks hardly makes a mountain of that molehill.
