International Argentine submarine missing with 44 aboard: ARA San Juan's imploded wreckage has been found.

There is "no chance of survival" for the 44 crew members aboard the missing Argentine submarine, a navy official said Friday, one day after his agency called off its rescue operation and shifted focus to recovering the wayward vessel.

"Given ... the amount of time that has passed, the extreme and adverse conditions that I have been discussing, we have inferred that there is no chance of survival," spokesman Enrique Balbi said.


 
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Argentina navy chief sacked after loss of submarine
Dec 17, 2017

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Adm Srur (right) is seen here with President Macri last month

The head of the Argentine navy has been sacked following the loss of a submarine and its crew in the South Atlantic last month.

The defence minister placed Adm Marcelo Srur in retirement on Friday night, it has emerged.

The ARA San Juan disappeared with 44 crew on board after reporting an electrical problem off the coast of Patagonia.

An international search operation has failed to locate the vessel.

Some ships are still searching in an area where a loud noise was recorded in the hours following the disappearance - possible evidence that the submarine imploded.

President Mauricio Macri has created a special independent commission to investigate the disappearance of the submarine, following criticism about the handling of the operation.

The commission will comprise three submariners - one the father of one of the disappeared crew.

Defence Minister Oscar Aguad has promised the investigation will be "transparent" and will have an unlimited budget.

"We ask that they always tell us the truth, that they keep us informed about what's happening," said Jorge Villareal, father of missing crew member Fernando, according to Efe news agency.

"We just find things out through the media."

Adm Srur, 60, was appointed by President Macri in January 2016.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-42379720
 
Argentina submarine: Police raid navy and German company offices
21.12.2017

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Argentine police have raided navy shipyards as a probe into repair irregularities deepens. One of the two German companies implicated in the sub's repairs, Ferrostaal, has also had its local offices searched.

Argentine police searched through navy headquarters and state-run shipyard offices on Wednesday in a bid to investigate the disappearance of a submarine last month.

A judge ordered the searches to help probe alleged irregularities with repairs on the German-built submarine.

The searches came after the navy appeared to implicate two German companies Ferrostaal and Hawker, for electrical repair problems with the submarine. Argentine authorities on Wednesday also searched the Buenos Offices of Ferrostaal.

Contract irregularities

Lawmaker Elisa Carrio from President Mauricio Macri's coalition has lodged a legal complaint against two former defense ministers, alleging irregularities in the repair contract had favored the German companies.

German public broadcasters Bayerischer Rundfunk reported on allegations earlier this month that German contractors had paid hefty bribes for the lucrative contract and had installed inferior battery cells in the submarine.

The German companies were awarded contracts to supply 964 battery cells for the submarine at a cost of €€5.1 million ($6.1 million).

The San Juan reported a short-circuit problem with its batteries shortly before it disappeared in the South Atlantic with 44 people aboard. Monitoring groups reported hearing an explosion at the time.

Ferrostaal told the German DPA news agency last week that the Argentine navy had decided to replace the battery cells instead of acquiring new batteries to save costs. Ferrostaal said it did not directly participate in the repairs, only mediating a contract between Argentina and Hawker for spare parts and technical support. Ferrostaal said it was not aware of any irregularities.

http://www.dw.com/en/argentina-submarine-police-raid-navy-and-german-company-offices/a-41883651
 
German contractors had paid hefty bribes for the lucrative contract and had installed inferior battery cells in the submarine. The San Juan reported a short-circuit problem with its batteries shortly before it disappeared in the South Atlantic with 44 people aboard. Monitoring groups reported hearing an explosion at the time.

Ferrostaal told the German DPA news agency last week that the Argentine navy had decided to replace the battery cells instead of acquiring new batteries to save costs.

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Argentina submarine: Police raid navy and German company offices
21.12.2017

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Argentine police have raided navy shipyards as a probe into repair irregularities deepens. One of the two German companies implicated in the sub's repairs, Ferrostaal, has also had its local offices searched.

Argentine police searched through navy headquarters and state-run shipyard offices on Wednesday in a bid to investigate the disappearance of a submarine last month.

A judge ordered the searches to help probe alleged irregularities with repairs on the German-built submarine.

The searches came after the navy appeared to implicate two German companies Ferrostaal and Hawker, for electrical repair problems with the submarine. Argentine authorities on Wednesday also searched the Buenos Offices of Ferrostaal.

Contract irregularities

Lawmaker Elisa Carrio from President Mauricio Macri's coalition has lodged a legal complaint against two former defense ministers, alleging irregularities in the repair contract had favored the German companies.

German public broadcasters Bayerischer Rundfunk reported on allegations earlier this month that German contractors had paid hefty bribes for the lucrative contract and had installed inferior battery cells in the submarine.

The German companies were awarded contracts to supply 964 battery cells for the submarine at a cost of €€5.1 million ($6.1 million).

The San Juan reported a short-circuit problem with its batteries shortly before it disappeared in the South Atlantic with 44 people aboard. Monitoring groups reported hearing an explosion at the time.

Ferrostaal told the German DPA news agency last week that the Argentine navy had decided to replace the battery cells instead of acquiring new batteries to save costs. Ferrostaal said it did not directly participate in the repairs, only mediating a contract between Argentina and Hawker for spare parts and technical support. Ferrostaal said it was not aware of any irregularities.

http://www.dw.com/en/argentina-submarine-police-raid-navy-and-german-company-offices/a-41883651

what do you think happened?
 
Sounds like some motherfuckers need to hang.

Upsidedown. Over a pool of water with their head stuck in. They could probably keep themselves alive for a day or so.
 
what do you think happened?

If the two German contractors go down, a whole lot of Argentine officials must be shaking in their boots waiting for their pay-outs and/or siphoned public funds to be exposed.
 
If the two German contractors go down, a whole lot of Argentine officials must be shaking in their boots waiting for their pay-outs and/or siphoned public funds to be exposed.

i should probably read the thread. my guess is a subrmaine sunk for money gains. idk i read it.

that what you think huh
 
Thanks for the update. I was wondering what happened.
 
I was accepted to the naval academy (got DQed due to some medical issues though) and sub duty horrified me and would have been my main motivation for good grades and a better pick of roles. Trapped underwater on a submarine where you have absolutely 0 control of possibly saving yourself. Horror movie level nihilism


I'm pretty sure you have to have great scores to even be considered for sub duty.
 
U.S. to end search for Argentine submarine that vanished
By Alex Horton December 27, 2017

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The United States is wrapping up the mission to recover the ARA San Juan, an Argentine submarine that disappeared Nov. 17 and triggered an international effort in a so-far futile search to find the ship and its 44 sailors, presumed dead for weeks.

The San Juan departed a base in the southern city of Ushuaia and was scheduled to arrive in late November at the Mar del Plata naval base, about 250 miles southeast of Buenos Aires. The Argentine Navy launched a frantic search for the vessel, only able to sustain about a week’s worth of oxygen if it could not resurface. Enrique Balbi, an Argentine Navy spokesman, later said the San Juan was ordered to Mar del Plata after it reported seawater had damaged batteries used for underwater power.

More than 200 U.S. personnel, three aircraft and a Navy research ship participated in rescue and recovery operations east of Patagonia, with a search area of more than 655 square nautical miles, according to a statement from U.S. Southern Command. The total search area was about 300,000 square miles divided among more than a dozen countries, according to a graphic from the Argentine Navy. Balbi likened the scope of the mission to searching for a cigarette on a soccer field.

The U.S. Navy deployed a P-8 Poseidon reconnaissance aircraft within a day of the incident, said Cmdr. Erik Reynolds, a Navy spokesman. It was later joined by an additional P-8, a NASA P-3 Orion research aircraft stocked with powerful scientific instruments. Multiple unmanned underwater mapping and salvage vehicles were also used.

A small team will remain in Argentina until Jan. 2, and after that, technical assistance will be provided by experts back in the United States, Reynolds said.

The hopes of family members and rescuers were repeatedly dashed after what seemed to be promising signs of life turned out to be mistakes or false assumptions. Sonar pings picked up early in the mission were believed to be metallic, but Argentine officials later said they were biological in nature. In another instance, a life raft and white signal flares were seen in the ocean. They were both found to be unconnected to the San Juan, which had green and red flares, officials said.

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A network of oceanographic scientists recorded a “hydro-acoustic anomaly” three hours after the last communication with the San Juan, near its last known position, Reynolds said. The Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization, a group that tracks underwater seismic events to determine if they are related to nuclear testing, raised the possibility that the event could have been an explosion.

Defense Minister Oscar Aguad sacked Adm. Marcelo Srur, the head of the Argentine Navy, after an investigation of the incident, the Associated Press reported.

Submarine recovery missions are rare. The last time U.S. resources were dispatched was in August 2005, when the Russian mini-sub Priz AS-28 was entangled in nets and cables during a training mission across the Bering Sea. Though U.S. assets were deployed, the U.K.’s Royal Navy Submarine Rescue Service arrived first, Reynolds said, and rescued all seven of the crew.

Every U.S. military operation ends with an after-action review to determine what went right and wrong. That process still has not occurred for the San Juan recovery mission, Reynolds said, although lessons will probably revolve around search techniques, equipment deployment and ways to improve coordination with foreign militaries.

“It’s easy to give your hopes up from a false lead,” Reynolds said, speaking for himself as a spokesman. “You have to be cautious; don’t get too excited over something that turns out to be a ghost.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-vanished-in-november/?utm_term=.0243ec226e82
 
What a shock money placed above lives...we are doomed..the world will never be ok , priorities are so fucked.
 
Argentina missing sub: Congress commission to investigate
15 January 2018

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Congress in Argentina has created a commission to investigate the disappearance of a navy submarine and its 44 crew in the Atlantic Ocean.

The ARA San Juan went missing on 15 November after reporting an electrical problem.

No trace of the missing submarine has been found despite an intensive search.

The commission will investigate the causes and circumstances of the vessel's disappearance as well as the ongoing search and rescue operation.

Relatives of the missing crew had asked for the commission to be created.

It will be made up of six members of the Chamber of Deputies and six senators from both opposition and government parties.

The commission will nominate a team of retired navy officials to advise it.

All of the commission's reports will be made public and the relatives of the missing crew will be allowed to sit in on its sessions.

The commission's aim is to establish what caused the submarine to disappear and to assess its condition before it sailed as well as analysing how the navy and the ministry of defence have conducted the search.

Relatives of the missing crew members have criticised the government's handling of the search, accusing officials of withholding key information.

The head of the Argentine navy was sacked last month following the loss of the submarine and its crew.

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The search for the submarine is still ongoing. The Argentine navy said one of its boats would join the Russian ship Yantar and another Argentine navy vessel in the search on Wednesday.

The three ships are focussing their search on the area where a loud noise was recorded in the hours following the disappearance, possible evidence that the submarine imploded.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-42689310
 
The poor families to still not have closure. Gut wrenching.
 
I wonder if they will ever find the submarine.
 
In search for missing submarine, Argentina offers multimillion-dollar reward
By Travis Fedschun | Feb 7, 2018

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Nearly three months after an Argentine submarine vanished with 44 crew members aboard, officials on Tuesday announced a multimillion-dollar reward as part of a renewed effort to find the vessel.

Argentine President Mauricio Macri made the announcement at his official residence while speaking to relatives of the ARA San Juan crew, Sky News reported.

Defense Minister Oscar Aguad later said the reward could be around $4 million, but the exact figure will be known in the next couple of days.

Family members at the hour-long meeting pushed for Macri to expand the search area, and for private companies to be allowed to look for the naval vessel.

"We propose [to the president] that the search area be expanded, including public and private companies,” Itaí Leguizamón, wife of crew member Germán Oscar Suárez, told reporters.

The TR-1700 electric diesel submarine disappeared on Nov. 15 when sailing from Ushuaia, in the extreme south of Argentina, to its base in Mar del Plata, located south of Buenos Aires, after participating in a training exercise.

There have been 18 countries involved in the search for the vessel, but families were told in late November to abandon hope of finding the crew alive after the captain's last message reported seawater in the ventilation system, a development which is believed to have caused a battery to short-circuit and start a fire.

The government and the Navy have so far ruled out the possibility the submarine was the target of an attack by a foreign fleet, and said the sub's mission was to detect the presence of vessels in the illegal fishing zone.

"We want to know what happened: if there was corruption in the arrangement of the ship, if there was negligence, and if it was an accident we also want to know...It would be very helpful to find the submarine to know all that," Aguad told reporters.

Previous detected contacts in the search for the sub have been false alarms, with one coming from a sunken fishing boat.

The sub's disappearance has led to the head of Argentina's navy, Admiral Marcelo Srur, being fired in December.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/0...entina-offers-multimillion-dollar-reward.html
 
Argentina offers $5 million reward for missing sub
By AFP | Feb 14, 2018 i

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Argentina announced a $5 million reward Wednesday for information leading to the recovery of the missing submarine San Juan, which disappeared without a trace in the South Atlantic in November with the loss of 44 crew.

The defense ministry said the reward will be granted "to those persons who provide information and useful data that will allow us to find the whereabouts and precise location of the submarine."

President Mauricio Macri's center-right government said it is seeking to "generate adequate incentives" for private companies to participate in the ongoing search with the Argentine navy.

At the peak of search operations in an area off the Argentine coast, more than a dozen countries provided military assets, oceanographic vessels and planes.

Macri told victims' families about the reward in a meeting on February 7, though the amount still had to be fixed.

The families have long pleaded with the government to increase resources and expand the search area.

The navy has been fiercely criticized for its handling of the operation since first reporting the submarine overdue at its base in Mar del Plata on November 16.

It was only several days later that the navy acknowledged the San Juan had reported a problem with its batteries in its final communication on November 15.

Even later the navy said there had been a likely devastating explosion on board, which experts said was probably linked to the battery problem.

Macri's government sacked naval chief Admiral Marcelo Srur and several top naval officials over the disaster, and opened an inquiry to determine what happened and who ultimately bears responsibility.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/...million-reward-for-missing-sub/article/514876
 
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