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Atomic_blast
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I say ballet is the best base (mostly for the alliteration).
Can't beat those HKs.
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I say ballet is the best base (mostly for the alliteration).
Can't beat those HKs.
You most've not read my post. IF we're going to pick one fighting style to beat other styles(like the early days) then only sub arts would be good. Wrestling is worth less without either stiking or sub def. name one decent boxer that was in the early UFC's? I'd take a prime Mike Tyson over prime Royce any day. my post is about the best syles as a base and then develope other styles around that base and i think it's easily boxing
Like i said in my first post A pure boxer couldn't beat a pure grappler. A pure wrestler would lose to a pure BJJ guy 99 percent of the time. If you come from a world class boxing back ground you don't have to become a BJJ black belt or a top wrestler what you have to do is develope skills to help your strength kind like Chuck did. Except he's not that great at his strength
Your opinion don't count. Look at your screen name. Straight up bias with no fact.
And Igor Vovchanchyn who was a Boxer proved your idiotic bias opinion wrong when he destroyed World Class BJJ grappler Adilson Lima in a 1995 Russian match. Lima trained under Ryan Gracie.
People like you forget that styles don't only matter. Alot of times it is about who has the better skills and who can execute that skill the best.
BJJ don't mean shit when your opponent is extremely explosive with power and speed.
Look at how Tank Abbott destroyed Hugo Duerta (Vale Tudo) and Tank was not even quick but powerful as hell.
Yeah because when great black Boxers like Muhammad Ali and Roy Jones Jr show excellent footwork in Boxing you think that "it is too black for MMA" right?
Idiot. You obviously never trained bro.
So you think it's the best base not because a straight boxer can beat someone in BJJ but because boxing teaches you something that you can't teach a lot of people???
That makes no sense. If someone has heart and is a natural athlete it doesn't matter what base they come from cause they'll succeed at whatever they set their mind to.
You mention the chin, BJ comes from BJJ and he has the best chin in MMA.
What do you think a typical striker vs grappler match is??
the best base is grappling
do you like to contradict yourself, or is it that you just can't help it?
"IF we're going to pick one fighting style to beat other styles(like the early days) then only sub arts would be good." AND THEN "I'd take a prime Mike Tyson over prime Royce any day."
sheesh
and your original post is extremely stupid too. grappling is the best base for mma, and anyone not realizing that is too stupid for me convince otherwise anyway.
Most trainers or teachers would tell you that wrestling or grappling comes more naturally and easier to teach for that reason, so yes coming a striking back ground and starting from there would be a good way to start.
I don't think boxing would be the best base but having some striking back ground would be ideal. Striking is much harder to learn in many ways.
That's becasue tyson had 40 pounds on him and was extremely athletic unlike the other big guys he fought. My whole point is anyone can learn to grapple at least to a very soild level, but you can't teach everyone to be a great striker. It's much like being a baskerball player or football player you can teach anyone that stuff but how many are going to turn into pro level players.
lol you are an absolute tool. So you saying anyone can learn to become a world champion wrestler or BJJ blackbelt??
Did you read what i wrote? To at least a very soild level. Where did i say anyone can be a world class grappler?
lol you are an absolute tool. So you saying anyone can learn to become a world champion wrestler or BJJ blackbelt??
Yeah i read exactly what you wrote, anyone can learn to strike to a very solid level aswell so i have no idea what you're point is.
Look at koscheck and swick there wrestlers that can strike good. While not the most technical guys anyone that wants to stand and bang with them dudes isn't in for an easy night.
I think without a doubt it would be Boxing or other striking arts if i were to pick any single style to start with. The reason why i pick that isn't becasue a boxer by itself would beat a wrestler or BJJer becasue they wouldn't. It's the fact that they have something that you can't teach most people and that's being a fighter and having a fighters heart. This is something i see lacking with so many top grapplers i see coming into MMA and other grapplers in mma. Is this to say that all grapplers don't have heart of course not, but it's impossible to make it to the elite level in boxing without at least a very soild heart. Another thing that gets weeded out in boxing is weak chins. you can make it all the way to the upper levels in the UFC before you truely get your chin tested if your a soild fighter. I think think of many top level fighters in MMA that are either scared to get hit or have weak chins.
The thing is No top boxer would ever want to come to MMA becasue they get paid 10-100 times more to box. Of course as mma grows and boxing dies off we'll see more true fighters in mma
This will all be sorted out when we have TUF: USA vs UK. Then we can watch a lot of british boxers get LnP'd or maybe even GnP'd by some collegiate wrestlers.