International Biden Admin takes next step toward WWIII - Blinken "Ukraine will become a member of NATO"

[calavera2]

Putler tried surprisingly hard to avoid a major war, first with the Minsk treaties which saw Russia trying to push Donbass back into Ukraine and also saw a crackdown on people calling for war in Russia (eg ultra-nationalist bloggers were arrested, guys like Dugin were fired from their jobs in Universities etc). Then most tellingly, after the initial incursion Russia & Ukraine were about to come to an agreement which again, would have kept Donbass in the Ukraine, but the USA fearing an outbreak of peace stopping the war they tried so hard to start and finally were getting, sent lacky Boris Johnson to tell the Ukes they weren't allowed to make peace. This has been confirmed from multiple independent primary sources (eg, this one from the then-Israeli prime minister who was mediating the peace talks).

If Putin wanted war so much why would he have done either of those things? Why not just send the tanks in immediately in 2014 when it would have been a cakewalk militarily?
If the USA wanted peace, why would it take steps to block a treaty both the Ukrainian and Russian leaderships were willing to agree to?

It's the CIA/US State Dept that made sure this war happened with decades of preparation, and blocked any chance of peace once it had started (that would be counter to the aim of NATO - 'keep the Russians out, the Germans down, and the Americans in'. E.g. destroying Nordstream keeps the Germans down and the Russians 'out' of Europe - we're not allowed to build our own independent relationships - that would be bad for US hegemony!). Russia invaded because the CIA had created a completely unacceptable security situation on their border (a recent NYT article by the CIA openly talked about the multiple bases, high level espionage, subterfuge, and even death squads (!) they had trained in Ukraine since 2014 - not mentioned of course was nuclear primacy, but Zelinsky had openly talked about getting nukes) and in what were historic Russian lands (Crimea in particular, which also hosts the most important Russian Naval base). Talk about what 'Putler' personally wants is a propaganda red herring - any Russian leader would have been forced to do the same, as would any Chinese leader, as would any American leader if a similar situation was playing out in Mexico or Canada, and all of them would have been justified to do so.

Pure Russian Chinese psychobabble..."The CIA/USA made Putin go to war!"

When you have nothing left just throw shit on the wall to see what sticks....

Putin has been very clear why he went to war with Ukraine...repeatedly. But still here you are.

 

[Xuh]

Pure Russian Chinese psychobabble..."The CIA/USA made Putin go to war!"

When you have nothing left just throw shit on the wall to see what sticks....

Putin has been very clear why he went to war with Ukraine...repeatedly. But still here you are.

'here are some sources from NATO, Israel, and the CIA themselves that help explain the situation'
'RussiaChina propaganda! bluhbluhbluh!'

No hope for this one, nothing left of the original personality beneath the brainwashing. Let us pray the rest of the world can be protected from the evil of Great Satan USA and its war-possessed minions before it is too late.

 

[Rational Poster]

So to be clear, if someone is against the U.S involvement in the war, theyve been propagandized by Russia?

I mean there are multiple foreign pro- Russian trolls literally spreading Russian propaganda in this thread.

So either they're getting paid to spread the bullshit or they've been subverted by it and just spread it for free.

These losers aren't just anti-war hippies, that's for sure.

 

[High Test With da Best]

Damn...

Will be interesting to see how this Biden vs Blinken scrap plays out

 

[calavera2]

'here are some sources from NATO, Israel, and the CIA themselves that help explain the situation'
'RussiaChina propaganda! bluhbluhbluh!'

No hope for this one, nothing left of the original personality beneath the brainwashing. Let us pray the rest of the world can be protected from the evil of Great Satan USA and its war-possessed minions before it is too late.

'here are some sources directly from putins mouth'

What Putin Gets Wrong About Ukraine's Statehood

Experts say Putin’s remarks are intended to justify Russian claims over Ukraine

time.com

'The great Satan is the USA for forcing Russia to murder ukranians, scream the demon horde!'

 

[Rod1]

why is us in syria again?


actually elections did happen.

people in crimea voted in 2014 to leave ukraine and join russia.

same happened in donbas in 2022.

now just cause you don't like these results don't mean they didn't happen.

As legit as Russian elections.

 

[Rod1]

You are anti-American.

Russia is not communist.

If you cared for Ukranians you would support peace talks. Putin sits alone at the negotiating table.

It's people like you who have failed the Ukranians supporting this nonsensical war. If Ukraine hadn't canceled the last three elections, Zelensky would be in the history books. Ukrainians would elect someone willing to negotiate with Putin.

You are anti-America if you don't support the ex-KGB agent dictator that openly opposes the West.

 

[Source]

Ukraine needs assurances moving forward. For if they dont join NATO, Putin or whoever comes after Putin will just do this again.

Those assurances haven’t worked up until this point. It was the annexation of Crimea that reignited Ukraine’s interest in joining NATO that had been previously shelved.

 

[grimballer]

As legit as Russian elections.

so its not legit if you don't get the results you want

so to recap:

holding elections and giving people the opportunity to make their own decision = not legit

removing a democratically elected president in a foreign backed coup = legit

is that all?

 

[Rod1]

so its not legit if you don't get the results you want

so to recap:

holding elections and giving people the opportunity to make their own decision = not legit

Elections under military occupation by a dictatorship = not legit.

removing a democratically elected president in a foreign backed coup = legit

This isn't legit either

is that all?

Yes.