Bjj blue belt in Brazil?

[cardkid]

Out of curiosity how long does it take to get a blue belt in Brazil in comparison to the rest of the world? Is it generally the same?

 

[TheGZA]

It takes about 3.50.

 

[lechien]

Out of curiosity how long does it take to get a blue belt in Brazil in comparison to the rest of the world? Is it generally the same?

The gap was massive back in the days but it seems it is getting similar especially with the over commercialisation of bjj...supply and demand stuff....you know .

 

[cardkid]

Yeah I heard it was very different. Regardless I'm sure it's an experience

 

[maximus__]

My understanding is that for a brazilian a blue is not that big a deal. You get your blue belt when you are starting to smash most of the newer guys and it's time to start wrestling some of the higher belts.

I also am of the belief that you generally don't ask a higher belt to roll with them unless you are prepared to be destroyed.

This is a generalization and I am working completely off second hand info.

 

[cardkid]

The focus wasn't necessarily about blue belt in particular, it was just an example. Was wondering how the promotion/grading differed to the rest of the world

 

[BJJ_Rage]

The focus wasn't necessarily about blue belt in particular, it was just an example. Was wondering how the promotion/grading differed to the rest of the world

It doesn’t... and it shouldn’t...

It depends on the instructor but to be honest keeping a guy from getting his blue belt who trains 2x day 5 days a week for over a year it’s kind of silly.

It’s not years what should count, it’s mat time.

 

[2008]

My understanding is that for a brazilian a blue is not that big a deal. You get your blue belt when you are starting to smash most of the newer guys and it's time to start wrestling some of the higher belts.

I also am of the belief that you generally don't ask a higher belt to roll with them unless you are prepared to be destroyed.

This is a generalization and I am working completely off second hand info.

Sorry, OP, I know the question is related to gyms in Brazil that I have no idea since I'm in the U.S.

This is basically how my gym was. You know you have reached blue belt level when you can smash most of the newer guys and you can hang longer with the higher belts. I don't know how my coach evaluates for blue but I suspect that is a large portion of it.

 

[mon]

It doesn’t... and it shouldn’t...

It depends on the instructor but to be honest keeping a guy from getting his blue belt who trains 2x day 5 days a week for over a year it’s kind of silly.

It’s not years what should count, it’s mat time.

Been a long time since I trained so take it with a grain of salt but its ability that makes it and you used to have to compete.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Been a long time since I trained so take it with a grain of salt but its ability that makes it and you used to have to compete.

Not really... many people dont enjoy competing, that doesn’t mean they don’t have th technical knowledge to move up in belts. What matters is mat time, that’s the only thing it will make you progress

 

[mon]

Not really... many people dont enjoy competing, that doesn’t mean they don’t have th technical knowledge to move up in belts. What matters is mat time, that’s the only thing it will make you progress

Just talking from my experience when I had an old school instructor, you didnt compete you didnt get blue or above. It was about ability and application both in house and comp.

Still disagree and believe youre mixing the method with the goal. Mat time is the method and ability is the goal.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Just talking from my experience when I had an old school instructor, you didnt compete you didnt get blue or above. It was about ability and application both in house and comp.

Still disagree and believe youre mixing the method with the goal. Mat time is the method and ability is the goal.

well, you get to test your ability every single day at the gym. Thats the good thing about bjj, you can go mundials finals if you like every training, hell most white and blues do it anyways. Bjj isnt a striking art where you cant go 100% in sparring.

 

[SRN]

The focus wasn't necessarily about blue belt in particular, it was just an example. Was wondering how the promotion/grading differed to the rest of the world

It's no different than the rest of the world. And it differs from gym to gym, not every gym in BR is a top gym with top blackbelts.

 

[lechien]

Just talking from my experience when I had an old school instructor, you didnt compete you didnt get blue or above. It was about ability and application both in house and comp.

Still disagree and believe youre mixing the method with the goal. Mat time is the method and ability is the goal.

Out of curiosity, how successful was your old instructor in terms of members?

Not promoting people that don't compete is kind of shooting yourself in the foot as they usually represent 10 percent of the gym members.

 

[2008]

Just talking from my experience when I had an old school instructor, you didnt compete you didnt get blue or above. It was about ability and application both in house and comp.

Still disagree and believe youre mixing the method with the goal. Mat time is the method and ability is the goal.

No disrespect to you or your old school instructor but that is dumb. You more or less know your ability skill wise, relatively speaking, through "sparring" in class! You don't necessarily have to 'compete', like others have mentioned, some don't care to compete to know where you stand. A student who trained consistently for 3 years, reach blue belt level skills, but doesn't compete, should be able to handle a regular(non-wrestler, not-high level athlete) 6month/1 year new white belt with ease.

If your that student who doesn't compete but smashes the guys who competes regularly(and they get promoted) but you don't, its going to look pretty foolish.

 

[mon]

Out of curiosity, how successful was your old instructor in terms of members?

Not promoting people that don't compete is kind of shooting yourself in the foot as they usually represent 10 percent of the gym members.

You're correct, while he produced a great standard he struggled to get numbers over here.

 

[mon]

No disrespect to you or your old school instructor but that is dumb. You more or less know your ability skill wise, relatively speaking, through "sparring" in class! You don't necessarily have to 'compete', like others have mentioned, some don't care to compete to know where you stand. A student who trained consistently for 3 years, reach blue belt level skills, but doesn't compete, should be able to handle a regular(non-wrestler, not-high level athlete) 6month/1 year new white belt with ease.

If your that student who doesn't compete but smashes the guys who competes regularly(and they get promoted) but you don't, its going to look pretty foolish.

Each to their own but I think you're wrong. You can be the hero of the gym and fail miserably on the stage where it counts. Competing introduces various stresses which aren't usually available in class, it mimicks the stress of real combat in a real setting with real stresses. When you step on the mat you have to overcome this as well as perform.
Then on top of this you have the variables that different styles brings which may not be available to you in your training circle.

Stress brings grow on all levels, sitting in your comfort zone limits you in the long run. My 2 cents.

As for looking foolish, I'd feel foolish wearing a blue belt and never having tested myself, supported my training family and coach with the points my entering would bring.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Each to their own but I think you're wrong. You can be the hero of the gym and fail miserably on the stage where it counts. Competing introduces various stresses which aren't usually available in class, it mimicks the stress of real combat in a real setting with real stresses. When you step on the mat you have to overcome this as well as perform.
Then on top of this you have the variables that different styles brings which may not be available to you in your training circle.

Stress brings grow on all levels, sitting in your comfort zone limits you in the long run. My 2 cents.

As for looking foolish, I'd feel foolish wearing a blue belt and never having tested myself, supported my training family and coach with the points my entering would bring.

You do realize that belts are awarded based on technical knowldege right? It has nothing to do with performing on “stage”. That’s what medals and other prizes you get when you compete are there for...

By your logic a guy who doesn’t compete for any motive has to be wearing a white belt for ever... dude has been grappling for like 10 years and just doesn’t compete... one dude whos been training for 1 year compete and wins a small regional tournament, and he is more worthy of a blue belt than a guy who most likely will turn him into a pretzel in the gym? I’m sorry, your point makes no sense.

 

[mon]

You do realize that belts are awarded based on technical knowldege right? It has nothing to do with performing on “stage”. That’s what medals and other prizes you get when you compete are there for...

By your logic a guy who doesn’t compete for any motive has to be wearing a white belt for ever... dude has been grappling for like 10 years and just doesn’t compete... one dude whos been training for 1 year compete and wins a small regional tournament, and he is more worthy of a blue belt than a guy who most likely will turn him into a pretzel in the gym? I’m sorry, your point makes no sense.

Each to there own. The thread was about brazillian gyms and belt level and I had a brazilian coach and was told used to be the consensus with the old school guys. Now I believe not so much.

For me either view makes perfect sense depending on what you consider important.

 

[lechien]

You're correct, while he produced a great standard he struggled to get numbers over here.

Was he a full time instructor?

How is his competition record like?

What kind of numbers are we talking? I got 30 student with a waiting list because I prefer quality over number .
I have not taken any new students for the past 8 months even though I have a lot of request .

I teach bjj as a hobby.

I think bjj is not just exclusive to the sport people. It is a martial art to help everyone in our community . Actually, it would benefit more the non sport person that someone that just want to compete to be better than someone else.