Social Black Panther (War Room Discussion)

[ScriptReadsMe]

Machinist was brilliant,

and IDGAF...Equilibrium was a damn good film.

Besides Exodus, he's starred in very decent movies, some of which are arguably top in their genre. He knows what he's doing

 

[Seano]

You’ve been really idiotic lately. When I saw Friday and barbershop in the theater it was a mixed crowd. I wasn’t in some sea of black folks.

You actually went out to see Barbershop?

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Why does this thread have so many posts?

Is the alt-right really this upset about a black super hero movie?

You should know. You’re crawling out of the alt right colon as we speak

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

You actually went out to see Barbershop?

Yeah barbershop is awesome. I love that movie.

I like Anthony Anderson and ice cube

 

[jamel]

Hate? lol

Yes.

Hating.

As in Player Hating.

As in my new bitch drives an Altima and you mad cause you still push a Neon Espresso.

Still a piece of shit but your spite wont let you see it

 

[ultramanhyata]

Good.

Miles is one of Marvels best newer creations. His comic has been nothing but great since it was first introduced giving him a huge fan base.

And he isn’t peter Parker he’s miles morales. Hes from a different universe than peter Parker.

No reason we can’t have a Miles movie now that we’ve had what? 7 peter Parker films.

I'm not a fan of "reimagining" classic comics characters. It's a cheap out. Writers need to create new superheros if they want to establish new alter-egos.

At the very least they need to borrow and rewrite old, nominal or essentially forgotten characters. The way Stan Lee did with Human Torch, for example. Or, Marvel's more recent, 2008 pilfer, Groot.

 

[cincymma79]

You’re boring and lazy and really dumb.

Sorry your favorite character is a lazy direct rip off of another character and a comic hurts you

 

[panamaican]

Does Black Panther really have politics in the film? Seems like the marketing is cynically exploiting the identity politics around the film but that most of it is coming from the fan base and not the studio itself.

There are no real politics within the film that are not strictly about the fictional African nation, Wakanda. There are identity issues raised by characters but it's trivial. It does however bring to mind a parallel point.

I saw Wolf Warrior 2, a pro-Chinese action movie that copies every generic trope except with Chinese people in the lead. It made me very aware of how we, the viewer, have come to associate certain ideals and rhetoric with the imagery of the film. There was nothing unusual in the Chinese film but it felt unusual because the actors were Chinese while the film felt very 80's American in every other way.

Watching Black Panther elicited a similar response. Everything that you could realistically refer to as identity politics wouldn't have been seen that way if the characters had been Irish talking about the potato famine that brought them to the US, or Italians discussing coming to America with nothing. Or some British piece where the actors discussed their affinity to Britain, it's history and their belief in the strength of character that the British people possessed.

But because all of the major speaking roles in Black Panther are black, when they speak to those trope they must speak to black history to be authentic. And that feels unusual because we almost never see major movies, that are not about race and black history, where the references to blackness are thrown about in such a casual way, ie without them becoming the raison d'etre for the film itself.

In that way, I can understand the hype. I can also understand whatever backlash is out there because usually when black characters talk about blackness it's in some heavy handed way that will be the plot device for black character seeking equality within the white world. In movies where race isn't the central theme, black characters tend to rarely discuss their blackness except in the context of currently fighting some racial injustice.

It doesn't happen in this film because the black characters already perceive themselves as living in a positive place of wealth and power...but they still reference the same history that you'd get in some 1960's "fight for integration" film. The same history but not the same sense of angst. I don't know - I know what I'm thinking, I don't know if I'm explaining it well.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

I'm not a fan of "reimagining" classic comics characters. It's a cheap out. Writers need to create new superheros if they want to establish new alter-egos.

At the very least they need to borrow and rewrite old, nominal or essentially forgotten characters. The way Stan Lee did with Human Torch, for example. Or, Marvel's more recent, 2008 pilfer, Groot.

No one cares if you approve of this or not, it’s been a norm in Comics for decades and it’s created many many amazing characters the fans love.

And no one cared about This either until a minority took over a role played by a white character.

Also let’s not forget miles morales and peter Parker are two completely different characters

 

[cincymma79]

I'm not a fan of "reimagining" classic comics characters. It's a cheap out. Writers need to create new superheros if they want to establish new alter-egos.

At the very least they need to borrow and rewrite old, nominal or essentially forgotten characters. The way Stan Lee did with Human Torch, for example. Or, Marvel's more recent, 2008 pilfer, Groot.

Uh oh now you’re racist or whatever. How about a black guy who comes from out of nowhere to beat a heavyweight boxing champion?

Black panther is fine.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Sorry your favorite character is a lazy direct rip off of another character and a comic hurts you

You’re just making up lies now trying to mask your stupidity. Keep trying though.

How does a comic hurt me? You’re the one crying about comic books, I’m not the one doing that.

 

[cincymma79]

You’re just making up lies now trying to mask your stupidity. Keep trying though.

How does a comic hurt me? You’re the one crying about comic books, I’m not the one doing that.

Read your posts

 

[luckyshot]

There are no real politics within the film that are not strictly about the fictional African nation, Wakanda. There are identity issues raised by characters but it's trivial. It does however bring to mind a parallel point.

I saw Wolf Warrior 2, a pro-Chinese action movie that copies every generic trope except with Chinese people in the lead. It made me very aware of how we, the viewer, have come to associate certain ideals and rhetoric with the imagery of the film. There was nothing unusual in the Chinese film but it felt unusual because the actors were Chinese while the film felt very 80's American in every other way.

Watching Black Panther elicited a similar response. Everything that you could realistically refer to as identity politics wouldn't have been seen that way if the characters had been Irish talking about the potato famine that brought them to the US, or Italians discussing coming to America with nothing. Or some British piece where the actors discussed their affinity to Britain, it's history and their belief in the strength of character that the British people possessed.

But because all of the major speaking roles in Black Panther are black, when they speak to those trope they must speak to black history to be authentic. And that feels unusual because we almost never see major movies, that are not about race and black history, where the references to blackness are thrown about in such a casual way, ie without them becoming the raison d'etre for the film itself.

In that way, I can understand the hype. I can also understand whatever backlash is out there because usually when black characters talk about blackness it's in some heavy handed way that will be the plot device for black character seeking equality within the white world. In movies where race isn't the central theme, black characters tend to rarely discuss their blackness except in the context of currently fighting some racial injustice.

It doesn't happen in this film because the black characters already perceive themselves as living in a positive place of wealth and power...but they still reference the same history that you'd get in some 1960's "fight for integration" film. The same history but not the same sense of angst. I don't know - I know what I'm thinking, I don't know if I'm explaining it well.

So, is this movie worth seeing?

Meaning: will I enjoy it more than my usual evening of staying home and flipping between Sherdog, Breitbart, the WWE Network, and pornhub?

 

[ultramanhyata]

Also let’s not forget miles morales and peter Parker are two completely different characters

Is the Spider-Man they become more than one character?

Younger generations of comics readers have been taken for a ride by minimally talented writers looking to cash in on established, marketable super-heroes. It's too bad.

 

[The Russian]

I'm glad black people finally get a chance to be in movie.

Or whatever is going on here. Hurray!

Fucking clever, fits this sjw bs thread so well!

 

[The Russian]

Good review here.

10/10

A soaring, aspirational ode to monarchial ethnostates!

That Black Panther will be an exciting, action-packed superhero film is obvious from the second the Marvel fanfare begins. As its narrative unfolds, it becomes just as obvious that the film - about the heroic head of state of a wealthy, technologically-advanced first-world nation with a strict immigration policy whose closest advisers are the strong, beautiful women in his family - is an adulatory homage to Donald Trump. Director Ryan Coogler's decision to use a comic book character from the fictional African nation of Wakanda as his vehicle to deliver his cinematic genuflection to the 45th President of the United States - an aspirational allegory for America - is brilliant in its subversiveness; the choice makes this political parable bulletproof from any specious criticism of racial bigotry, letting the purity and wisdom of its message shine through the screen.

That message, of course, is that a monarchial ethnostate was, remains, and will forever be the best form of national government. If the global experiment of democracy over the last two centuries has shown us anything, it's that populations ought to have a say in their own governance to the extent that children should direct their own parenting: little to none. It's a preposterous proposition. While it's fun to vote yourself piles of candy for dinner every night, the foolishness of the endeavor becomes clear when you've made yourself sick, toothless, and penniless. The royal line from which King T'Challa descends hasn't fallen into this trap, and we see the result: a happy, harmonious people who love the ruler who loves them back.

The more-controversial, but eminently defensible, moral of this superhero story is that ethnic homogeneity is simply the most ideal and natural state of nations. Scolds and scoundrels might squeal, "That's racism!" Not true, replies the student of history; after all, we are all one single human race. Our various cultures, however, are vastly different, and peace with your neighbor can only last when you both share one. That isn't to say that Coogler is claiming there exists no legitimate roles for "the other" in Wakanda. There are - the political refugee, the foreign diplomat - but so often, as personified by Ulysses Klaue (another of Andy Serkis' brilliant CGI character creations, fitting seamlessly into his real-life surroundings), the outsider simply wants to rape and pillage, and if the ruler is to remain a hero, he must prevent such an intrusion by any means possible.

So bravo, Mr. Coogler, and the entire cast and crew, for showing America - and every country on earth - an ideal to strive for. You've made a film that cuts a clear path through the miasmic, rotten jungle of open borders, multiculturalism, and assimilation, so I don't think I exaggerate when I say this: Black Panther may have just saved the world.

Would read again.

 

[HatchetHarry]

Are they going to make a Klu Klux Klan member movie next? This movie is racist as fuck

 

[ultramanhyata]

Uh oh now you’re racist or whatever.

It has nothing to do with race. If Miles Morales were a white kid named Chad Channing it would be just as weak. They are all usurpers of the Parker/Lee/Ditko throne.

 

[HatchetHarry]

Good.

Miles is one of Marvels best newer creations. His comic has been nothing but great since it was first introduced giving him a huge fan base.

And he isn’t peter Parker he’s miles morales. Hes from a different universe than peter Parker.

No reason we can’t have a Miles movie now that we’ve had what? 7 peter Parker films.

Troll

Miles is just pandering to growing Hispanic population

 

[Limbo Pete]

But because all of the major speaking roles in Black Panther are black, when they speak to those trope they must speak to black history to be authentic. And that feels unusual because we almost never see major movies, that are not about race and black history, where the references to blackness are thrown about in such a casual way, ie without them becoming the raison d'etre for the film itself.