Boeing loses $20 billion dollar Iran deal

This is true. Boeing stock isn't at 350$ a share because the 787 still hasn't booked a profit, no one is buying the 777, in anticipation of the 777-X, no one is buying 747's. The 767, and 737 are the only profitable commercial lines right now, and yet Boeing stock has doubled in the last year.
Stock price isn't just based on a company's profits, there's so many factors into stock price that profit really is a minor one because profit doesn't take into consideration the value of assets like patents that have been developed by a company's R&D department, but the stock market does. Stocks prices also take into consideration expected future results, but profit doesn't. The market is largely expectation driven, some times those expectations turn out to be correct and other times it doesn't. Just look at how Ford consistently makes a profit and Telsa has been consistently losing money but Telsa's market cap is close to 50 billion and Ford's is around 44 billion.
Yeah, and now Airbus is going to be the sole provider to a market that will top 100 billion in the next 10 years.

These sanctions are so stupid, without Europe being on board


Airbus be having a party in Hamburg tonight.
Airbus can't sell their planes to Iran because it contains American technology and they'd be in violation like ZTE was when they sold to Iran with Qualcomm's chip in them.
 
Stock price isn't just based on a company's profits, there's so many factors into stock price that profit really is a minor one because profit doesn't take into consideration the value of assets like patents that have been developed by a company's R&D department, but the stock market does. Stocks prices also take into consideration expected future results, but profit doesn't. The market is largely expectation driven, some times those expectations turn out to be correct and other times it doesn't. Just look at how Ford consistently makes a profit and Telsa has been consistently losing money but Telsa's market cap is close to 50 billion and Ford's is around 44 billion.



Airbus can't sell their planes to Iran because it contains American technology and they'd be in violation like ZTE was when they sold to Iran with Qualcomm's chip in them.

Someone should tell the French and Germans this then, because they are laying the ground work, to do this very thing.

Seems playing hardball is a two way road huh?
 
Airbus be having a party in Hamburg tonight.

To celebrate the fact that they're fucked? o_O

Assuming that Iran Air somehow manage to shore up enough financing for their A330 purchase order, that deal is toasted because the A330 can't fly without American components. And unlike Boeing, Airbus doesn't have billions worth of jet fighters on order from Iran's enemies to benefits from the crumbling nuke deal.

Seems like a peculiar reason to be throwing a party for.


Iran Air ordered more than 50 widebodies from Airbus, all of which were included in the plane maker's firm order book. The carrier currently has outstanding orders for eight A330-200s, 28 A330-900neos, and 16 A350-1000s -- all of which will have to be canceled because Airbus planes use a high volume of American-made components.

Airbus only has one A330 order year to date, which has been offset by six cancellations. As a result, the company announced last month that it would cut A330 production to around 50 units in 2019, down from 60 this year.

Losing the 36 Iran Air orders will make this bad situation worse. The backlog for current-generation A330s will fall to 78 from 86 at the end of April, while the A330neo order book will fall from 214 units to just 186. More than a third of those remaining A330neo orders are for AirAsia X, which has been waffling on its long-term fleet plans, and another third are for aircraft lessors, which typically prefer to buy the most popular aircraft models. Thus, it is becoming more and more urgent for Airbus to shore up the A330 order book with new deals.
 
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To celebrate the fact that they're fucked? o_O

Assuming that Iran Air somehow manage to shore up enough financing for their A330 purchase order, that deal is toasted because the A330 can't fly without American components. And unlike Boeing, Airbus doesn't have jet fighters to fall back on.

Seems like a peculiar reason to be throwing a party for.


Iran Air ordered more than 50 widebodies from Airbus, all of which were included in the plane maker's firm order book. The carrier currently has outstanding orders for eight A330-200s, 28 A330-900neos, and 16 A350-1000s -- all of which will have to be canceled because Airbus planes use a high volume of American-made components.

Airbus only has one A330 order year to date, which has been offset by six cancellations. As a result, the company announced last month that it would cut A330 production to around 50 units in 2019, down from 60 this year.

Losing the 36 Iran Air orders will make this bad situation worse. The backlog for current-generation A330s will fall to 78 from 86 at the end of April, while the A330neo order book will fall from 214 units to just 186. More than a third of those remaining A330neo orders are for AirAsia X, which has been waffling on its long-term fleet plans, and another third are for aircraft lessors, which typically prefer to buy the most popular aircraft models. Thus, it is becoming more and more urgent for Airbus to shore up the A330 order book with new deals.




THU FEB 1, 2018 / 8:17 AM EST
France to finance exports to Iran, aims to sidestep U.S. sanctions
Matthieu Protard and Mathieu Rosemain

(Reuters) - France will start offering euro-denominated credits to Iranian buyers of its goods later this year, a move to bolster trade while keeping it outside the reach of U.S. sanctions, the head of state-owned investment bank Bpifrance said.

France and other European countries have been looking to increase trade with Iran since Paris, Washington and other world powers agreed in 2015 to lift many economic sanctions in exchange for controls on Iran's nuclear program.

The plan is to offer dedicated, euro-denominated export guarantees to Iranian buyers of French goods and services. By structuring the financing through vehicles without any U.S. link, whether to the currency or otherwise, the aim is to avoid the extraterritorial reach of U.S. legislation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile...mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1FL48U3
 

THU FEB 1, 2018 / 8:17 AM EST
France to finance exports to Iran, aims to sidestep U.S. sanctions
Matthieu Protard and Mathieu Rosemain

(Reuters) - France will start offering euro-denominated credits to Iranian buyers of its goods later this year, a move to bolster trade while keeping it outside the reach of U.S. sanctions, the head of state-owned investment bank Bpifrance said.

France and other European countries have been looking to increase trade with Iran since Paris, Washington and other world powers agreed in 2015 to lift many economic sanctions in exchange for controls on Iran's nuclear program.

The plan is to offer dedicated, euro-denominated export guarantees to Iranian buyers of French goods and services. By structuring the financing through vehicles without any U.S. link, whether to the currency or otherwise, the aim is to avoid the extraterritorial reach of U.S. legislation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile...mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1FL48U3

Not sure how that will help partially-complete A330s takes to the air without the critical U.S components.
 
Not sure how that will help partially-complete A330s takes to the air without the critical U.S components.

You know Boeing has just as many European components yes?

I'm all for using leverage in negotiation, but Europe is not the droid your looking for. That cat has claws.
 
Boeing, needs to follow these other companies lead. Trump is all about that Pay for Play. Send him some money, also his son in law has a billion dollar loan coming due soon, so if Boeing can loan him some money as well, then Trump will get shit done for Boeing.
 
Boeing, needs to follow these other companies lead. Trump is all about that Pay for Play. Send him some money, also his son in law has a billion dollar loan coming due soon, so if Boeing can loan him some money as well, then Trump will get shit done for Boeing.

That has already been going on. There is a reason that Boeing's last CEO left, to join Trumps economic team.

20 billion in commercial airplanes is easily compensated with 20 billion in no bid drone contracts.
 
Yeah, if you discount possible consequences of alienating huge part of American elites in the process. Which wouldn't happen because of the deal with Iran itself, but by going full anti-Israeli it would be reasonable to expect that many would lose their sense of American patriotism. Many would lose it because of their ethnic background and many others because they would see such America as the incarnation of the devil.
Well that just puts it right out there that many of these elites are Israel firsters then and were never Americans to begin with.
 
Boeing C.E.O. Downplays Loss of $20 Billion Contract With Iran
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/09/us/politics/boeing-ceo-iran.html


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Why did Trump ditch the Iran deal?

Well there is his ego and need to undo anything Obama did
But there is also the Israel lobby pushing him to wage war against Iran.
Saudis also want Trump to fight their tribal wars like Israel is doing but Saudi could never get the US to fight Iran; they just don't have the influence needed.


So how exactly is Israel an ally and benefit to the US when their manipulation of US MidEast policy ends up costing America jobs, and in the case of Iraq ,it cost Americans over 5K dead, many times that injured and 1 trillion + in expense.

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Soo far Trump is:

Making Israel Great Again
Making Saudi Arabia Great Again

Mecca?
 
Yeah, and now Airbus is going to be the sole provider to a market that will top 100 billion in the next 10 years.

Airbus be having a party in Hamburg tonight.

Airbus' license to export U.S technology to Iran has been revoked a week ago, and there's STILL no prerequisite downpayment deposits in sight for any of the planes "ordered" by Iran Air as of today, despite all the payment reminders from Airbus over the past half a year.

It's going to be a very interesting Airbus shareholders meeting this month, though I highly doubt it's going to be a big celebration like some of you expected, for some unknown reasons that can't possibly be related to business. Somebody's birthday party perhaps?

Any predictions from Sherdog's business analysts as to what Aurbus' announcement would be?


Iran expects word from Airbus on plane deal soon, but still isn't paying downpayments
By Parisa Hafezi and Tim Hepher​

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An IranAir Airbus A320 aircraft parks after landing at Belgrade's Nikola Tesla Airport, Serbia, March 13, 2018.


(Reuters) - Iran expects to hear from Airbus (AIR.PA) in the coming days about the fate of an order for 100 planes that looks to have been wrecked by the United States' decision to reinstate sanctions on the Islamic Republic.

The deal, potentially worth about $18-20 billion at list prices, was agreed in December 2016. But so far only three planes have been delivered, with industry sources blaming delays on the wariness of banks to finance business with Tehran.

The U.S. administration appeared to deal a fatal blow to the transaction on Tuesday when President Donald Trump pulled Washington out of the 2015 nuclear accord with Iran and said it would reimpose sanctions on the Islamic Republic.

Washington said at the time that it would also revoke the export license needed by planemakers to sell commercial planes to Iran. Although Airbus is a European firm, its aircraft use U.S. components and technology.

"Airbus will announce its decision in the coming days," senior adviser to Iran's Roads and Urban Development Minister Asghar Fakhrieh-Kashan told the semi-official Fars news agency.

"No downpayment has been made by Iran to the planemakers for future deliveries," he added.

An Airbus spokesman declined to comment.

Washington's decision to reinstate sanctions signals the collapse of about $38 billion in plane deals between Tehran and Western firms, with Airbus facing greater risks than its U.S. rival Boeing, people involved in the deals say.

IranAir, the national flag carrier, had ordered 200 passenger aircraft, with 100 from Airbus, 80 from Boeing (BA.N) and 20 from ATR. All the deals are dependent on U.S. license because of the heavy use of American parts in the planes.

Iran has so far imported only about 11 aircraft, three from Airbus and eight from Franco-Italian turboprop maker ATR (LDOF.MI).

"During the talks with Airbus and Boeing we did not consider any possibility of such exit from the deal and it was not mentioned in the contracts," Fakhrieh-Kashan, a former deputy minister who negotiated the contracts, told Fars.

Other Iranian airlines had also made provisional plane orders, but had yet to sign firm contracts.

Industry sources say Airbus is resigned to losing Iran's business for the time being, but will carefully consider its options before cancelling it from its official order book, as doing so could tip it into negative net orders - orders minus cancellations - for the year.

But the loss of U.S. export permits and confirmation that Iran has not paid a deposit, as previously reported by Reuters, could force Airbus to tell investors the deal cannot go through.

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1IC0RY
 
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As E.U. Tries to Blunt U.S. Sanctions, European companies stop doing business with Iran
By Barbara Surk | May 17, 2018



At a European Union summit meeting in Sofia, Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European Commission, the bloc’s executive arm, said it would begin a legal process to prohibit companies based in the 28-member union from complying with the American sanctions.

“We should know that the effects of the announced American sanctions will not remain without consequences,” Mr. Juncker said. “We have a duty to protect our European companies.”

The meeting, with leaders of western Balkan countries, came barely a week after Mr. Trump quit the 2015 nuclear agreement between Iran and leading world powers, which has eased sanctions in exchange for verifiable curbs on Iran’s nuclear activities.

The withdrawal of the United States is a potentially fatal blow to the agreement because it restores all of the American sanctions, which not only restrict commerce with Iranian energy, banking and other sectors, but could penalize foreign businesses that trade with or invest in Iran.

On Tuesday the Trump administration took further steps to isolate Iran economically, placing the governor of its central bank on a terrorist blacklist.

The American sanctions are a powerful deterrent to many non-American companies, particularly large multinational businesses that are intertwined in the United States economy and dependent on its financial system. The restored sanctions mean they must essentially choose between doing business with Iran or the United States.
Mr. Juncker amplified the criticism on Thursday.

“We will not negotiate with the sword of Damocles hanging over our heads,” Mr. Juncker said. “It’s a matter of dignity, and it’s a matter of principle.”

Dalia Grybauskaite, the president of Lithuania, noted that Europe does not want a trade war with the United States over the Iran deal. “We are looking for technical solutions to protect our companies,” Ms. Grybauskaite said.

Despite their defiant response to Mr. Trump, it is unclear how effective any European Union measures would be in countering the restored American sanctions on Iran. Even as the summit meeting was underway, more big European-based companies signaled they would have to quit doing business with Iran to avoid running afoul of the American sanctions.

The world’s leading container shipping company, A.P. Moller-Maersk, said it would no longer do business in Iran, Reuters reported, while the Italian steel maker Danieli began scaling back on Iranian orders. On Wednesday, the French oil giant Total said it would have to divest from Iran unless it received an exemption from the American sanctions.

President Emmanuel Macron of France appeared to acknowledge this reality at a news conference in Sofia, conceding that France does not want to get into a trade war with the United States over Iran.

“We’re not going to choose one camp over another,” Mr. Macron said. While he said he wants to protect the ability of European businesses to remain in Iran if they wish, Mr. Macron also said, “We’re not going to impose on French businesses to stay in Iran.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/17/...iran-sanctions.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes
 
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Any word if Saudi Arabia will buy another 20 billion bucks worth of Boeing to make up for the loss?
 
Not sure how that will help partially-complete A330s takes to the air without the critical U.S components.

Thats still quite disturbing, the US is risking the dominance of the US dollar as the defacto world currency and alienating Europe on security issues. All over what? a deal that the top US military officials said was good for America.

This is why conspiracy theories exist.
 
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