Boxing Is Not Easier Than MMA (Luke Thomas point)

[bad_k]

Only poor people in the ghetto or very specific areas in the world has a boxing culture.

In a large scale boxing has a very shallow talent pool. Most people in the world doesn't even have an option to join a boxing gym and pursue a professional career in their culture.

Just ask yourself, how many people in your life do you know that boxed let alone competed in a match? Versus people you know that wrestled in highschool or did martial arts.

Talent pool is far deeper in Martial Arts.

 

[Amerikuracana]

There is more to learn in MMA. Easier? Can mean too many things

 

[ThePatriot]

MMA is easy to sum up.

It's where people go when they aren't good enough at their current sport.

Anyone that is skilled enough to be a professional boxer will go to boxing.

You see Bjj guys coming over because pay is even worse in Bjj.

MMA is really just a sport for people who aren't good enough to be nfl and soccer players.

Once the pay finally goes up you night see the Floyd's/Bradys dominate MMA.

Yeah if the pay went up we'd have deep lhw and hw filled with 'explosive' guys with great genetics

The lack of depth and the weight classes of actual athletes is a good barometer for the quality of the sport

 

[buddahead]

MMA is more entertaining than Boxing.

For people with short attention spans

 

[xyzxyz94]

correct, a freak that could have made it playing ball too but had low grades. Also picking up boxing at 19 as a heavyweight is ok. Thats a spring chicken for that weightclass.

No legit basketball player doesn't get into a school because of their grades.

 

[TCanaveira]

Training only boxing compared to MMA is much easier.

 

[justbetter]

How hard any form of competition is is based on how many people are trying to make it to the top.

that's why minecraft is harder than triathlons

 

[Chomsky Honk]

that's why minecraft is harder than triathlons

minecraft isn’t a competitive game

 

[Killme]

It's different, in MMA you AVE to learn everything, get good at a few things, in boxing you have to refine and sharpen skills everyone else has to stand out from the crowd

 

[pick999]

Boxing is wayyy easier

 

[Fedor>Cain]

Sorry, but this is silly.
Floyd has never been a knockout artist. He is a defensive fighter. If you think Conor "won" anything there, then you don't know anything about boxing. I'm a Conor fan, and all things considered, he did a great job. But Floyd was in complete control of that fight the entire time. Conor won rounds that Floyd allowed him to win. Floyd literally threw no punches in a couple rounds.

Boxing and MMA are different. It is just stupid to compare the two sports.
Boxing isn't easier than MMA, and vice versa.
"Who would win in a fight/Who could come over to the other's discipline and do damage" are completely different questions.

Boxing is objectively harder to make it in than MMA because it is more specialized.

In MMA, you can be a wrestling specialist, a BJJ specialist, a Kickboxer, a boxer based fighter, a Must Thai guy, a sambo specialist, etc

In boxing, if you have bad hands, you are fucked. You literally can't compete in the sport. You basically need to be gifted with specific athletic qulaities from from good or whatever diety you believe in. MMA doesn't have that requirement.

That's without even getting into the fact that the talent pool for boxing is typically much larger than MMA as it is an old sport and his FAR more popular around the globe.

 

[djacobox372]

Boxing is harder because you have very few options. If things aren't going your way you can't shoot for a takedown, or try to setup a flying knee/head-kick to end it. In boxing when you basically just have to suck it up and take your beating and hope the ref saves you.

 

[MCS]

For skill MMA is easier, the entry point is lower, less participants worldwide. Road to the top is shorter.

But MMA is the physically more demanding sport where toughness, heart and multiple area conditioning often decide success. MMA fighters are training at least 3 different sports while the 4th is combining them, so they get more athletic variety.

 

[MikalP]

What happened when Michael Page , an MMA fighter decided to go to boxing.




And what happened when pro boxer, Heather Hardy, undefeated champion came to MMA?

She lost her nose.

Her opponent, a ta kwondo champion, never took her down once. She stood and banged. Kept her distance from the punches and just kicked the shit out of her. That's all you have to do to a pro boxer. They can't do shit without boxing rules against any martial artist, or wrestler.

And whoever tries to bring up Holly Holm she was a kickboxer before she was a boxer. 6 amateur fights, undefeated, and 3 pro fights, 2-1. And her trainer was the same guy, her whole career. An MMA guy, and pro kick boxer. Never a boxer.

This is such a stupid post.

Michael Page is not an MMA fighter at his base, he's a kickboxer who has had success in transitioning to MMA - plus, his opponent in boxing was a legitimate can named Johnathan Castano who had a boxing record of 2-11. Beating a fighter with a 2 and fucking 11 record is what you're building that point around?

Heather Hardy's opponent, also not an MMA base per your own admission. These guys aren't starting off as MMA fighters and then beating strikers, they're bred strikers out striking other strikers in an MMA sanctioned fight. This is not doing anything to highlight the strengths MMA fighters have over boxers because these aren't people with MMA bases.

You're also not taking into consideration all of the successful fighters in MMA who started with a boxing background; they ALL count towards giving weight to boxing.

Of course a guy who only knows boxing will not do well in MMA, but this method of hand picking piss-poor examples to try and prove it is shit. Michael Page beating a 2-11 boxer does not give credit to MMA fighters over Boxers and a girl boxing vs a kickboxer doesn't either.

Conor got mollywhopped, if Michael Page fought a legitimate boxer he would get mollywhopped, and all the guys who started off boxing and used it to be successful in MMA are all proof that boxing is very, very effective.

 

[MikalP]

Only poor people in the ghetto or very specific areas in the world has a boxing culture.

In a large scale boxing has a very shallow talent pool. Most people in the world doesn't even have an option to join a boxing gym and pursue a professional career in their culture.

Just ask yourself, how many people in your life do you know that boxed let alone competed in a match? Versus people you know that wrestled in highschool or did martial arts.

Talent pool is far deeper in Martial Arts.

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1. Wrestling doesn't require getting punched in the face, so of course there will be less people boxing than wrestling in most areas that offer wrestling. Lots of countries outside of America (crazy that they exist, I know) don't give a shit about wrestling and even in America wrestling is on the decline.

2. "Did martial arts" means very different things. Do we all know a lot of people who have done completely useless martial arts and never actually engaged in any physical combat? Yeah. Do we all know a lot of people who actually compete in combative tournaments in their respective martial arts? Nowhere near as much.

I think that boxing probably has a higher percentage of people compete out of all the people that train than most martial arts. JiuJitsu might be different but again, that doesn't result in getting punched in the face so of course that's going to have less deterrents

 

[TMAN29]

- Just because in MMA there is a bigger array of offensive options doesnt make it instantly harder
- Basically saying other sports with less variables are addiction by subtraction(i.e in BJJ there is no striking but you have to worry about de la riva and 50/50 guards, berimbolos, etc... many things that dont even exist in mma)
- thats why you dont see someone from MMA just walk into the mundials and win or go compete in olympic wrestling

Agree? Discuss

Of course. Boxing is one specific fighting art and is more establishes than mma. Top boxers have been training since they were kids.....

 

[Mga223]

Yeah if the pay went up we'd have deep lhw and hw filled with 'explosive' guys with great genetics

The lack of depth and the weight classes of actual athletes is a good barometer for the quality of the sport

I can't get over how terrible LHW is.

 

[FlowchartRog]

This is such a stupid post.

Michael Page is not an MMA fighter at his base, he's a kickboxer who has had success in transitioning to MMA - plus, his opponent in boxing was a legitimate can named Johnathan Castano who had a boxing record of 2-11. Beating a fighter with a 2 and fucking 11 record is what you're building that point around?

Heather Hardy's opponent, also not an MMA base per your own admission. These guys aren't starting off as MMA fighters and then beating strikers, they're bred strikers out striking other strikers in an MMA sanctioned fight. This is not doing anything to highlight the strengths MMA fighters have over boxers because these aren't people with MMA bases.

You're also not taking into consideration all of the successful fighters in MMA who started with a boxing background; they ALL count towards giving weight to boxing.

Of course a guy who only knows boxing will not do well in MMA, but this method of hand picking piss-poor examples to try and prove it is shit. Michael Page beating a 2-11 boxer does not give credit to MMA fighters over Boxers and a girl boxing vs a kickboxer doesn't either.

Conor got mollywhopped, if Michael Page fought a legitimate boxer he would get mollywhopped, and all the guys who started off boxing and used it to be successful in MMA are all proof that boxing is very, very effective.

The post you quoted was fucking atrocious, you're bang on the money.

TBH even guys like Conor (ironically the guy you quoted is a McNuthugger) and Cody and Stipe and Ngannou are flying the flag for boxing. All fighters with boxing backgrounds, who win basically by being much better at boxing than their opponents. The boxing haters are too stupid to see it, this is the boxing era of MMA, and is only showing just how effective boxing is.

 

[ICEibuPROfen]

Boxing is light years away from fighting.

 

[MotorCityCobra]

Golf is harder to become proficient at then either one!

Boxing/Wrestling much harder than MMA to excel in due to genetic traits required to do so. MMA not so much.

As a 140 LBS blue belt in BJJ ten years ago I choked out a 220 LBS collegiate football player. Although I was a much better boxer than grappler, it is highly unlikely i could beat him in a boxing match.