Boxing & Thai

[TheBystander5]

TJ's style in my opinion is more akin to that of Dutch kickboxing which if i could recall reading somewhere was influenced largely by Kyokushin karate as opposed to muay thai.

In terms of Thai specialist in MMA i really don't think Till is all that Muay Thai-esque other than the Thai tattoos. I think the most MT-esque fighter in the UFC is the recently retired Matt Brown.

 

[ironkhan57]

Till's kicks are not traditional Muay Thai kicks. Watch his footwork. He steps and plants his base foot sideways & flat on the ground to open up his hips for the kick. The kick goes wide & around to the target, and when you miss it you end up doing a 360. This is what I call the Brazilian kickboxing method as it's what's used by Shogun, Wandy, Aldo, and most of the other MMA kickboxers from Brazil. It's also the method taught by Bas Rutten.

The Thai style kick is a bit more complicated. The fighter pops his kicking leg off the ground with his calf & ankles (ever wonder why Nak Muay have giant calves? Yeah, that's why) while coming up on the ball of his foot on the base leg. At the same time he starts pulling the kicking leg up with his hips, and then he'll pivot the base leg to open up the hips and accelerate the kick along with changing its trajectory from mostly upwards to mostly sideways. So you have a kick that comes mostly upwards really fast, then turns sideways and rips through the target. And it can be thrown straight from the stance without first taking a setup step to plant the base leg and open up the hips.

Nong-O and Singdam demonstrate real Thai style kicks. Darren Till's kicks look nothing like this.
The closest in the UFC are David Teymur, Anthony Pettis on a good day, and the Shevchenko sisters.

Wow so the first legit muay thai instructor I had was actually teaching me a brazilian style kick. I always thought that traditional muay thai you bring the leg up and around but then again I was taught 3 different ways to throw a body kick (or roundhouse) including the snapping way, the straight leg kick up and around way, and the just flick the leg by different instructors.

 

[j123]

I have always said this, and it shocks me when he is referred to as a Muay Thai master.

MT in the west esp. in MMA gyms are so low key that they're open to marketing anything. If anything its kickboxing. Its like companies who create their own job positions and the role & responsibilities are completely different compared to the real market position

 

[Mr Mojo Lane]

Till's kicks are not traditional Muay Thai kicks. Watch his footwork. He steps and plants his base foot sideways & flat on the ground to open up his hips for the kick. The kick goes wide & around to the target, and when you miss it you end up doing a 360. This is what I call the Brazilian kickboxing method as it's what's used by Shogun, Wandy, Aldo, and most of the other MMA kickboxers from Brazil. It's also the method taught by Bas Rutten.

The Thai style kick is a bit more complicated. The fighter pops his kicking leg off the ground with his calf & ankles (ever wonder why Nak Muay have giant calves? Yeah, that's why) while coming up on the ball of his foot on the base leg. At the same time he starts pulling the kicking leg up with his hips, and then he'll pivot the base leg to open up the hips and accelerate the kick along with changing its trajectory from mostly upwards to mostly sideways. So you have a kick that comes mostly upwards really fast, then turns sideways and rips through the target. And it can be thrown straight from the stance without first taking a setup step to plant the base leg and open up the hips.

Nong-O and Singdam demonstrate real Thai style kicks. Darren Till's kicks look nothing like this.
The closest in the UFC are David Teymur, Anthony Pettis on a good day, and the Shevchenko sisters.

Most people call it Dutch Style kickboxing. I kind of use it even if they do not have direct lineage to the Dutch KB founders

 

[BigPapaShango]

For specialists just check out one fc.......

 

[B0l0joe]

There are no Thai specialists in the UFC on the men's side. The closest thing to one is David Teymur who won a bronze at IFMA.



Till is not a Muay Thai fighter. If you look at his stance & movement, it's a lot closer to karate or kickboxing than MT.

There was a fellow on the Benavidez card who beat the shit out of Diakese. Very nice body kicks.