International Brexit News & Discussion v7: British Parliament Rejects Theresa May's Brexit Deal (Again)


Nobody is stopping them from leaving, it's just not a simple as they thought it would be.



And no EU member has authority over another.

Is this guilt trip over British rule?

The British invited people from the commonwealth after the war because they needed the workers and now you have Windrush.


They can negotiate as hard as they want. They still have to leave.

And then they can leave and be a third country, without the cherrys.


This whattaboutism does not show reasons to support signing the migration pact.

Does the rest of they EU get a say in all these commonwealth immigrants arriving in the EU ?


I don't think this helps your argument. Just goes to show how much of an imbecile Cameron was/is. There is no doubt people were ill-informed on Northern Ireland. That is not the fault of the voters, there was no pamphlet describing "what will happen legally with the border in NI", there should have been. There were adverts about how voting is racist though.

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Not my fault if they're idiots, who don't understand how the EU works. Most can't even draw the fucking border of their own country ????



Merkel shat the bed and then people were justifiably concerned. There is no metric showing Merkels EU-wide decision is a success with crime (diversity is strength) and employment (muh pensions).

Merkel does not run the EU, she's just another boogeywoman for Brexiteers to blame for successive years of shite British government leadership.
 
Nobody is stopping them from leaving, it's just not a simple as they thought it would be.
The government has already re-confirmed they will follow through with Brexit. I didn't say it was easy.
"The government has made submissions to the CJEU. In any event, the government will not be revoking Article 50."

And no EU member has authority over another.
You could be right because they look like they're trying to bully Poland and Hungary, but are getting nowhere. Paper Tiger?

The British invited people from the commonwealth after the war because they needed the workers and now you have Windrush.
No one had that on their mind when Brexit was voted for and is not relevant. Guilt trips don't time travel and those people had legal rights to stay. I don't think windrush is going to help you here.

Does the rest of they EU get a say in all these commonwealth immigrants arriving in the EU ?
UK has no say if someone decides to travel to France. What is your point?

And then they can leave and be a third country, without the cherrys.
Indeed. Now what?

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These "gotcha" questions aren't paying off for you.

Not my fault if they're idiots, who don't understand how the EU works. Most can't even draw the fucking border of their own country ????
That's no reason to cancel Brexit. You'd have a point, but Merkel tipped the scales enough to swing a leave vote. People didn't decide for no reason.

Merkel does not run the EU, she's just another boogeywoman for Brexiteers to blame for successive years of shite British government leadership.
EU runs the EU, Merkel is a puppet just like Rothschild banker Macron. The open border policy being disastrous for countries is not boogey-anything, tinfoil or fake news.
 
EU reaction regarding additional talks: ROFL LOL no

EU figures rule out concessions as May postpones Brexit vote
EU officials and diplomats bewildered at decision to seek more talks before MPs vote

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...cessions-as-theresa-may-postpones-brexit-vote

France passed a law last night so Macron can deal with a no-deal Brexit through decrees (much faster than going through the Parliament), in order to fix all the voids and cancelled agreements that will appear.

Link in French
 
EU to Consider Legal Lifeline to Help May Sell Her Brexit Deal
By Ian Wishart , Nikos Chrysoloras , and Tim Ross | December 13, 2018



European leaders will consider going at least some way to giving Theresa May what she’s asking for to sell her Brexit deal at home.

At a summit on Thursday, they were set to discuss publishing a new declaration to ease concerns about the most contentious part of last month’s Brexit deal -- the so-called Irish backstop. The new text would have legal force, according to two EU diplomats, who declined to be named as the discussions are private, and still in the early stages.

Another gathering is likely to be called in January to sign off on any new declaration, they said.

The possible offer from the EU could help May as she battles against the odds to win support for her Brexit deal in the U.K. Parliament. Time is running out for agreeing to the terms of Britain’s divorce from the bloc but politicians in London overwhelmingly oppose the agreement as it stands.

If May can’t persuade Parliament to back her plan, Britain will be on course to crash out of the club of 28 countries in just over three months’ time, unleashing political and economic chaos.

On Monday, May was forced to cancel a planned parliamentary vote to ratify her Brexit deal because she knew she’d lose. Two days later, she was fighting an attempt to oust her as prime minister from members of her own Conservative party dismayed at her handling of the U.K.’s exit from the EU.

While May survived that confidence vote on Wednesday, she still faces a huge task trying to win sufficient new concessions from the EU in order to convince Parliament that her deal is worth supporting.

At the summit, May appealed to her European counterparts to help provide urgent political and legal reassurances on the backstop plan for the Irish border.

“We must get this right -- let’s hold nothing in reserve,” May said, according to extracts of her speech released by her officials. “Let’s work together intensively to get this deal over the line in the bet interests of all our people.”

May was given the chance to present her case and take questions from her peers. She made three demands, according to another EU diplomat familiar with the proceedings:

  • Assurance that the bloc doesn’t want the backstop to be used
  • An agreed political declaration on the future ties between the two sides to be added as an annex to the draft Withdrawal Agreement, so that it gains a legal standing in itself
  • Additional clarifications on the backstop, with legal weight
Despite the potential move by the EU, there are still obstacles to overcome. Some countries are reluctant to sign up to the new idea. As they arrived at the summit on Thursday, leaders including French President Emmanuel Macron said no new legal changes could be made.

The biggest political problem May faces with the so called backstop guarantee for the Irish border is that it ties the U.K. into the EU’s customs regime indefinitely. That’s unacceptable to pro-Brexit Tories who want Britain to be free from European rules to strike free trade deals around the world.

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According to two EU diplomats, European leaders will now consider whether to issue a memorandum then that could include an aspirational end-date for the backstop. The idea is to allay British lawmakers’ fears that the agreement could trap the U.K. in the EU’s orbit forever.

The backstop was designed as an insurance policy to prevent a new border on the island of Ireland, but it now applies to the whole U.K. and risks locking Britain into EU rules without a clear end in sight.

The declaration, which would avoid re-opening the Brexit divorce treaty but would sit alongside it, would have legal force. It would effectively oblige the EU to make all attempts possible to complete a full trade deal to replace the backstop by a set date, the diplomats said. The U.K. could take the EU to an independent arbitration panel if it believed this obligation hadn’t been fulfilled.

“We have to change the perception that the backstop could be a trap from which the U.K. could not escape. Until we do, the deal -- our deal -- is at risk,” May said.

A package of further assurances from the EU on the backstop can change the “dynamic” in Parliament, May said, as she asked her counterparts to “trust” her judgement.

“There is a majority in my Parliament who want to leave with a deal. So with the right assurances, this deal can be passed. Indeed, it is the only deal that is capable of getting through my Parliament.”

U.K. officials hope the two sides’ negotiating teams can sit down to start work on the new text immediately. British officials said they would also be open to changing the wording in the political declaration on the future U.K.-EU trade partnership, which is not legally binding.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-13/eu-said-to-mull-legal-lifeline-to-help-may-sell-her-brexit-deal
 
France passed a law last night so Macron can deal with a no-deal Brexit through decrees (much faster than going through the Parliament), in order to fix all the voids and cancelled agreements that will appear.

Link in French

Macron isn't exactly friendly to Brexit from what I know. He is an EU guy
 
So corbyn tables a vote of no confidence on the PM. I can't tell if he's given in to his backbenchers, or made a stupid decision on his own, which he's more than capable of.

The Tory party were moments away from destroying themselves.
All Tory MP'S will back the PM now, even the 117. It's looking likely a no deal Brexit is becoming a plausible way out.
Thanks Corbyn, I knew you were a secret brexiteer.
 
Been watching british parliament vids from the last couple weeks today. Wow Theresa May sucks dick as a PM holy shit.
 
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