International Brexit News & Discussion v7: British Parliament Rejects Theresa May's Brexit Deal (Again)

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So what is stopping/has stopped the non-globalists from presenting a clear plan that resolves the issues in this horrendous plan.

Illuminati

 

[Arkain2K]

Prime Minister Theresa May’s relationship with business hasn’t always been the smoothest. But now the two are united by a common goal: to convince Parliament that her Brexit deal is as good as it gets — and MPs better back it in the interest of avoiding Armageddon.

May will have a friendly audience today at the Confederation of British Industry. Its director, Carolyn Fairbairn, has already put a good spin on the deal. Crucially, the two are adopting a similar strategy of telling wavering lawmakers to think about voters and businesses rather than party politics.

“Listen to the businesses in your constituencies,” Fairbairn urged lawmakers in a Sky News interview. “Go out and talk to people and ask whether they think it’s now time to move on.” She attacked MPs for indulging in a “a political parlor game.”

Individual businesses are lining up with the same message. Tulsi Naidu, U.K. chief executive of Zurich Insurance, said the deal was “as good as it is going to get.”

Business likes the withdrawal deal for the same reason the pro-Brexit hardliners hate it: because it keeps the U.K. in something very similar to a customs union and points to very close ties in the future relationship. Businesses lobbied from the start to remain in the European Union’s trading bloc, and they’ve come away with the next best thing. Also, the possible extension of the transition phase — which the EU now says could last until 2022 — is good news for companies, which have made the grace period their top demand.

May needs all the help she can get. The parliamentary arithmetic for getting a deal through is looking trickier than ever. While she brought a couple of possible rebels on board with her reshuffle last week, the raft of resignations swelled the ranks of those vowing to vote against her. And she’s still facing the prospect of a leadership challenge, though the man who controls the process was sounding pretty cheery yesterday, and May herself said the crucial threshold hadn’t been reached at the end of last week.

May is back in Brussels this week to hash out the final points of the agreement on the future relationship. Arguments over economic ties — the U.K. is still pushing for things the EU has long ruled out — need to be settled by a signing-off summit on Sunday. Representatives of the EU27 meet this morning.

The prime minister gave a hint about her strategy yesterday in her interview with Sky: She wants to shift the debate to the terms of the future relationship and away from the divorce deal and the toxic Irish backstop. That raises the stakes for what she can extract this week from the other side. And means a lot hangs on a document that’s expected to be just 20 pages long.

 

[Armbars]

spineless backstabbing snakes. the lot of them.

 

[JDragon]

spineless backstabbing snakes. the lot of them.

You're referring to Boris and his goons?

 

[Arkain2K]

 

[Armbars]

You're referring to Boris and his goons?

more the ones selling the country out and polishing it like its not a turd. But yeah these sly fuckers pissing In their own bosses cereal are just as bad.

 

[Gervais]

Theresa May is just about the only adult a room full of bickering children. If she loses her job, then this shit show would officially hits rock bottom.

Part of me wish she said fuck this....Im out of here. You get a better deal if you can.

 

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[JDragon]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...prepare-to-end-45-years-of-difficult-marriage

Spain threatens to stop the deal over Gibraltar. The fun hasn't even begun yet.

 

[Arkain2K]

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...prepare-to-end-45-years-of-difficult-marriage

Spain threatens to stop the deal over Gibraltar. The fun hasn't even begun yet.

Actually, it has begun a long time ago. The French and the Spaniards made no effort to hide the fact that they want to exploit this negotiation for their own agendas. One aspires to replace Britain as the Second in Command in NATO as well as reviving their language's relevancy on the world stage, the other just need something to satisfy the unhappy nationalists at home.

That being said, I personal think that as long as Catalonia keeps trying to secede, the Socialists in Madrid wouldn't actually try to force the Gibratar sovereignty agenda on Brexit talks despite all the huff and puff, and would try to get some concessions on borders issues at best to satisfy the voter base back home.

In the end, Spain doesn't want to piss Britain off to the point that London would recognize Catalonia out of spite, who already openly trying to get British support for their independence drive by recognizing Britain's total sovereignty over Gibraltar.

https://amp.economist.com/britain/2017/11/02/the-catalan-crisis-adds-to-gibraltars-brexit-concerns

 

[manlyseaeagle]

It's gone all a bit tribal with people falling out with friends and family because you either a Remainer or a Leaver....a bit like Trump supporter v Hilary fan.

 

[JDragon]

It's gone all a bit tribal with people falling out with friends and family because you either a Remainer or a Leaver....a bit like Trump supporter v Hilary fan.

I understand that, though. Leavers are older on average, but the young generation will have to deal with the long-term consequences.

 

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[machidafan99]

It all hinges on a new common fisheries policy.

 

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