Economy 12 Years and $34 Billion Later, Canada's Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion Is Set To Complete.

[Arkain2K]

Hal Kvisle is now saying the expansion is toast without massive funding from the feds. As someone who makes a living off Alberta oil and gas, the last thing I want to see is the government sink tax payer money into this. Let the project fail and move on.

Kinder Morgan has never asked for a dime for the Trans Mountain expansion, nor do they need any hand-outs from Canadian taxpayers.

After over $1 Billion spent on the project, all they wanted is a simple guarantee from the Canadian government that this Federally-approved pipeline expansion wouldn't be torpedoed by tree huggers and provincial squabbling, before they continue investing the other $7 billions in their budget to complete what they are building.

Unfortunately, that assurance is beyond Trudeau's capabilities, so he's presenting an unsolicited offering to take up an equity stake instead.

 

[Snackbar]

Kinder Morgan has never asked for a dime for the Trans Mountain expansion, nor do they need any hand-outs from Canadian taxpayers.

After over $1 Billion spent on the project, all they wanted is a simple guarantee from the Canadian government that this Federally-approved pipeline expansion wouldn't be torpedoed by tree huggers and provincial squabbling, before they continue investing the other $7 billions in their budget to complete what they are building.

Unfortunately, that assurance is beyond Trudeau's capabilities, so he's presenting an unsolicited offering to take up an equity stake instead.

You are right, they didn't ask for provincial or Federal funding, but our inept provincial and federal governments, knowing they have no teeth in regards to rocking their green base in BC, or QC, or Ont, do what any good left leaning political party does, and turn on the tax payer tap.

KM knows that the threat of illegal protests, blockades and sabatoge will not be addressed by Horgan or Trudeau, and they know Notley would be standing side by side with Horgan if her party's complete annihilation wasn't teetering a year away.

So now insiders are saying that KM wants the tax payer to assume ALL the risk, and rightly so, our elected officials opened our wallets, KM would be stupid to not take it.

 

[ElKarlo]

And the counter argument to this seems to be something along the lines of “we shouldn’t be finding more efficient ways to transport oil, as that will allow greater consumption, and instead should transition away from it as a resource.”

But of course when Alberta offers to help BC make a green transition by limiting availability, BC loses it’s mind.

I am Fromm Ontario, would certainly describe myself as Liberal, and Hope Alberta absolutely comes out of this on top.

Well said. This is just being spiteful. You should be transporting anything and everything as efficient as possible . Because thst directly impacts pollution. If petroleum was more expensive, they'd just drill for more offshore. That's what would happen given pricing. This is dumb and thank you for admitting it. As it's easy to defend your own parties and beliefs

 

[ElKarlo]

When was the last time a tanker spilled in BC?

And the pipeline will have emergency shut off stations along it so if a pipeline burst happened only a small section of the pipe would leak. It sucks, but a large leak crippling the economy is fear mongering.

And also transporting by truck or train is more polluting and far more dangerous. When a tanker train derails in a small town, it wipes it out. 60-80 killed is actually pretty much larger for thst size of an accident

 

[Deleted member 457759]

And also transporting by truck or train is more polluting and far more dangerous. When a tanker train derails in a small town, it wipes it out. 60-80 killed is actually pretty much larger for thst size of an accident

O trust me the hippys dont care about that. They aren't seeking an alternative way to transport because they're worried about increased tanker traffic.

They simply don't want the oil to be sold.

 

[Arkain2K]

Pipeline opponents are now pulling the religious/spiritual card.

As it turns out, Muhammad, Buddha, and Jesus are all against evil Albertan Heavy Crude.

Seriously Canada, are you for real?

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7 arrested as faith leaders protest Trans Mountain pipeline expansion in Burnaby
'We have a spiritual obligation to care for the land and uphold the truth and reconciliation calls to action'
Chad Pawson · CBC News · Posted: Apr 28, 2018

Leaders from a broad spectrum of religious faiths stood with Indigenous people at a Kinder Morgan work site in Burnaby, B.C., on Saturday to protest the expansion of the Trans Mountain pipeline.

Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, Unitarians, two choirs, members of 10 Christian denominations, and interfaith groups all participated by singing and chanting but also fixing prayers, rosaries and flags to the gates of Kinder Morgan's site at Shellmont Street and Underhill Avenue.

Amal Rana placed a quote from the Prophet Mohammad on the gates.

"Environmental justice is a huge part of the Islamic faith, actually all our faiths," she said. "We are here to stand with Indigenous people and also for the earth ... that is part of our spirituality."



Seven people were arrested by Burnaby RCMP officers for breaching a court-ordered injunction that prevents people from obstructing or impeding access to Kinder Morgan facilities in Burnaby.

The groups said they were against the expansion because of concerns it could cause environmental damage, and that there was not enough meaningful consultation done with Indigenous stakeholders.

Bat-Ami Hensen, a member of Metro Vancouver's Jewish Community said it was important to stand with people from other faiths in opposition to the project.

"We have common values," she said of all the groups gathered on Saturday.

Others, like independent Catholic Rev. Victoria Marie, says the event was also to show a commitment to reconciliation with Indigenous people.

"Our faith demands that, as well as care of the Earth," she said.

Laurel Dykstra, a priest with the Anglican Church of Canada, says religious leaders are putting prayers into action by being willing to be arrested.

"People of faith are standing in solidarity with Indigenous people to say this pipeline will not be built," she said.

Meanwhile, parts of a protest camp set up in Burnaby appeared to have been vandalized with spray paint saying, "protesters not welcome," and "go home."

Burnaby RCMP have not yet confirmed if it received complaints about the spray paint or if they are investigating.

The Trans Mountain project received federal approval in November of 2016. The National Energy Board (NEB) concluded that the project is in Canada's public interest and it could proceed with 157 conditions.

Since then, legal challenges and political wrangling have stalled the expansion, which would increase the amount of oil or products being transported from Edmonton to Burnaby from 300,000 barrels per day to 890,000 barrels per day.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...ders-trans-mountain-protest-burnaby-1.4640502
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By the way, I like how a handful of religious folks are described by the Canadian media as "faith leaders from all religions" (exactly how many followers do they have?), similar to how a handful of dissenting natives are consistently described as the true representatives of "the First Nations" (despite ALL the indigenous communities along the pipeline route have already signed revenue-sharing contracts with Kinder Morgan).

 

[ElKarlo]

O trust me the hippys dont care about that. They aren't seeking an alternative way to transport because they're worried about increased tanker traffic.

They simply don't want the oil to be sold.

And the post below yours points thst out. They simply want people to buy oil from elsewhere. This isn't helping at all. As oil consumption is set in its trend and hopefully it'll start coming down in a decade or so. In the meantime, ugh this people can't be reasoned with at all

 

[splendica]

Trudeau is the worst person to have in power at a time like this. He cannot just blabber on about feminism and climate change, wear silly socks, attend a gay parade or hide in Europe until the heat on this issue dies down. Trudeau has no backbone and no brain. He is easily the worst Prime Minister in the history of Canada.

This 100%.

The economic and cultural suicide Trudeau leading is beyond alarming. And just to think there's even another generation of Trudeaus ready to be paid off by the Canada destroyers. The mess that an upcoming Conservative government will have to clean up to no recognition and then later receive blame for, is unconscionable.

 

[splendica]

I think he looks great in that hat. I also think he cares, and that's what I want from government: Love. I envy Canadians.

I'm so hoping this is sarcasm lol

 

[Deleted member 263856]

This 100%.

The economic and cultural suicide Trudeau leading is beyond alarming. And just to think there's even another generation of Trudeaus ready to be paid off by the Canada destroyers. The mess that an upcoming Conservative government will have to clean up to no recognition and then later receive blame for, is unconscionable.

You can just see it from a mile a away can't you. The conservatives will come to power and start trying to balance the budget and this makes people unhappy. Then the Liberals will pipe up and go "remember when we were in power, we gave money to these people and spent money on this and built this, it was good times wasn't it?" (I mean half a billion on a fucking party in Ottawa!!!) I really hope Canadians don't fall for the antics of these idiots again.

 

[splendica]

You can just see it from a mile a away can't you. The conservatives will come to power and start trying to balance the budget and this makes people unhappy. Then the Liberals will pipe up and go "remember when we were in power, we gave money to these people and spent money on this and built this, it was good times wasn't it?" (I mean half a billion on a fucking party in Ottawa!!!) I really hope Canadians don't fall for the antics of these idiots again.

The insanity of their overspending makes the skin crawl. Like you said, the conservatives will make a comeback if the country isn't ruined by then, claw to get the country's finances in order and maybe make a few tiny gains. Only to have the liberals (potentially) get their hands on those just paid-off credit cards, ready to go on another spending bender. Hell, maybe their insane progressivism will inspire a mass euthanasia by then (not wishing it, but literally nothing is off of the table with these mentally ill politicians and their backers).

 

[jefferz]

O trust me the hippys dont care about that. They aren't seeking an alternative way to transport because they're worried about increased tanker traffic.

They simply don't want the oil to be sold.

They’ll come in and do what they did in ND. They’ll attack workers and police officers, leave millions of tons of garbage, and leave the area more polluted than before they came to protest all while screaming racism.

 

[gatchaman]

You can just see it from a mile a away can't you. The conservatives will come to power and start trying to balance the budget and this makes people unhappy. Then the Liberals will pipe up and go "remember when we were in power, we gave money to these people and spent money on this and built this, it was good times wasn't it?" (I mean half a billion on a fucking party in Ottawa!!!) I really hope Canadians don't fall for the antics of these idiots again.

The insanity of their overspending makes the skin crawl. Like you said, the conservatives will make a comeback if the country isn't ruined by then, claw to get the country's finances in order and maybe make a few tiny gains. Only to have the liberals (potentially) get their hands on those just paid-off credit cards, ready to go on another spending bender. Hell, maybe their insane progressivism will inspire a mass euthanasia by then (not wishing it, but literally nothing is off of the table with these mentally ill politicians and their backers).

In my lifetime, on average, I have found the federal Liberals to be more fiscally responsible than the federal Conservatives: Chretien, Martin > Mulroney, Harper. I don't have high hopes for Justin Trudeau though because his father wasn't very good fiscally.

In Alberta, the fiscal gains by Conservative Ralph Klein have been completely undone by the Conservatives who came after.

 

[Deleted member 263856]

In my lifetime, on average, I have found the federal Liberals to be more fiscally responsible than the federal Conservatives: Chretien, Martin > Mulroney, Harper. I don't have high hopes for Justin Trudeau though because his father wasn't very good fiscally.

In Alberta, the fiscal gains by Conservative Ralph Klein have been completely undone by the Conservatives who came after.

I agree. Perhaps we should be more specific that we're talking about Trudeau's liberals. I think Scheer would do a great job though.

 

[splendica]

In my lifetime, on average, I have found the federal Liberals to be more fiscally responsible than the federal Conservatives: Chretien, Martin > Mulroney, Harper. I don't have high hopes for Justin Trudeau though because his father wasn't very good fiscally.

In Alberta, the fiscal gains by Conservative Ralph Klein have been completely undone by the Conservatives who came after.

Trudeau tripled his campaign budget for his term within the first year of said term. It is financial meltdown under the liberals.

I think every financial disaster can ultimately be traced back to liberal governments. There is a lot of politicking that goes on and I wouldn't doubt for a second that the conservatives in Alberta prior to Notley were in large part in survival mode due to a collapsed oil market.

Also, I believe Harper was the best PM Canada has had for many decades. Pre Pierre Trudeau.

 

[splendica]

Also, the same government overreach, spending, populism, progressivism and cronyism is the same Liberal mindset in the Ontario Wynne government that is plunging that province into nearly unrecoverable debt and societal chaos. It's the same Liberal mindset as the Feds. It's basically unworkable socialism/communism that doesn't hold accountability in high regard.

 

[gatchaman]

Trudeau tripled his campaign budget for his term within the first year of said term. It is financial meltdown under the liberals.

I think every financial disaster can ultimately be traced back to liberal governments. There is a lot of politicking that goes on and I wouldn't doubt for a second that the conservatives in Alberta prior to Notley were in large part in survival mode due to a collapsed oil market.

Also, I believe Harper was the best PM Canada has had for many decades. Pre Pierre Trudeau.

I don't even think that Harper was as good as Martin who preceded him. Harper left the country in worse financial shape than when he started, and I don't think that Harper can blame Chretien and Martin for the damage done.

 

[splendica]

I don't even think that Harper was as good as Martin who preceded him. Harper left the country in worse financial shape than when he started, and I don't think that Harper can blame Chretien and Martin for the damage done.

I would disagree. I mean even now, one of Trudeau's favorite goto statements in the house of commons is that the previous administration had underfunded infrastructure and government programs. It's basically an excuse to have inflated number beauracracy positions and spending everywhere. So essentially he uses the idea that Harper was so cheap the liberal government is supposed to overspend to make up for it.

One of the YouTube channels that I like for Canadian politics is Steeper 33.

Here's an example:

 

[gatchaman]

I would disagree. I mean even now, one of Trudeau's favorite goto statements in the house of commons is that the previous administration had underfunded infrastructure and government programs. It's basically an excuse to have inflated number beauracracy positions and spending everywhere. So essentially he uses the idea that Harper was so cheap the liberal government is supposed to overspend to make up for it.

One of the YouTube channels that I like for Canadian politics is Steeper 33.

Here's an example:

Talk is cheap. Harper loosened the purse strings more than Martin and Chretien. Harper can't blame these guys for his mess because they handed him the house in pretty good shape.

 

[splendica]

Talk is cheap. Harper loosened the purse strings more than Martin and Chretien. Harper can't blame these guys for his mess because they handed him the house in pretty good shape.

I really doubt it. Anything liberals have touched has always been a disaster for as long as I can remember. And then, no matter what they blame the Conservatives.