California bullet train costs soar to $77 billion

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  1. Gregolian

    Gregolian .45 ACP Platinum Member

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    I've never been to New York or Boston so I can't speak that great on how their subway systems work but the only major American city that I have seen do public transit even half way decent is SLC with that rail system they have. It literally does a loop that cuts through the city center so you can get just about everywhere within a 1-4 block walk downtown.
     
  2. Oeshon

    Oeshon ช่างมันเถอะ

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    47 degrees? Yeah, that is way too much. I've had that before in Australian heatwaves and it sucks major balls. Anything over 40 is too hot.

    I actually prefer humidity to dry heat though. I find it way more comfortable and relaxing. Nothing worse than fucking windburn. Much rather sweat my balls off.

    31 degree here right now in BKK which is about perfect for me. 25-33 is my preferred range with 27-30 being the sweet spot.
     
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    computer fogie Literally Senior Moderator Senior Moderator

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    They should pay Germany or Japan to take over the project. They can do these things much more efficiently and without so much corruption. Of course that would rob the crooked US politicians of a lot of their motivation for even considering the project.
     
  4. Fluffernutter

    Fluffernutter Black Belt

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    If I remember correctly, the initial conversation also included:

    Concerned Citizen: "We should have super fast trains like they do in Japan and in Europe. After all, we already have miles and miles of rail track."

    Engineers of super fast trains: "Yes, we do have lots of track, but those tracks were laid down a long time ago. Super fast trains need rails that are MUCH more wide than what is currently on the ground. We would have to completely rebuild everything for it to work."

    Concerned Citizen: "We should have super fast trains like they do in Japan and in Europe."

    Engineers of super fast trains: "Did you hear what I just said?"

    California government: "Let's be the first state to have super fast trains like they have in Japan and in Europe."

    Engineers of Super fats trains: "ummmm.....OK. Here is our proposal."

    Concerned Citizen: "As a resident of San Francisco, I want to discuss the ins and outs of our quarterback and the flag."
     
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  5. silus_2000

    silus_2000 Gold Belt

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    "Costs soar". No, they just lied about the estimate to get approval.
     
  6. Oeshon

    Oeshon ช่างมันเถอะ

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    im still holding out hope.

    Virign Group is currently looking at setting one up in Mumbai, India.
     
  7. 7437

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    could it? or would it just get wasted with a different name attached
     
  8. Trotsky

    Trotsky Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card Yellow Card Banned

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    Kind of like the Southern border wall.

    Trump, 2016 - It will cost $4 billion tops

    Trump, 2017 - Okay, maybe more like $12 billion

    Analysts, 2017 - Yeah, more like $30 billion, plus $5 billion annually
     
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  9. Trotsky

    Trotsky Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card Yellow Card Banned

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    Is it, though? This looks like a lot of cushy transactions with private contractors. When people talk about government waste and inefficiency, isn't it usually about how government is inefficient and private enterprises would do the job more cheaply?

    Also, it looks like California recognizing the property rights of private landowners, instead of just summarily confiscating land like we did with the border fence and will do with the border wall, is driving up costs.
     
  10. Rebound59

    Rebound59 金繕い belt

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    Their rail system is really something to behold. They have the advantage of very high population density, 10 times that of the US, which makes it more cost effective, so it's understandable. I still agree it should have been a priority a couple of decades ago at least. However, big oil keeps the cost of oil low enough that they can still sucker people into believing that it's much nicer to sit around in traffic sucking up smog in your own car than to cruise along on a high speed train stretched out, having a drink, and enjoying yourself, instead of driving.
     
  11. The ScorpioN

    The ScorpioN "GET OVER HERE!"

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    Don't forget breh, you can ruin the environment by paying an incremental fee.

    But otherwise you're killing your children's future.
     
  12. trident

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    This is the world, children, and both US political parties do it.

    Its why watching people actually choose a side is so frustrating.

    You're still choosing a criminal.
     
  13. Protectandserve

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    It is absurdly over budget. The issue is people voted for it when it was expected to cost 10 billion. Tons of opponents to the bill raised this issue that the projected cost was a pipe dream and it would be way, way higher. Brown and supporters of the train denied it and then when its turned into this mess, just are like "oh well, lets move forward."

    Not to mention the train itself will not be high speed rail for the entire ride, as was sold to voters as well. There are parts where you need to take conventional rail to continue the trip from southern to northern CA.

    Whole thing is a shit show.
     
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  14. second sight

    second sight Reversing Submissions from Father Time

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    Sucker people into wanting their own transportation, sneaky oil companies
     
  15. Possum Jenkins

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    The crashes have gone down but they're still pretty numerous.

    This at-grade shit is ridiculous. I think at the very least they should have elevated it downtown. I ride it almost daily and regularly see people on foot literally going faster. After several blocks the train eventually overtakes it but not by much.
     
  16. MikeMcMann

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    Yes.

    Too many people do not understand that completing the project was never truly a goal of the tender of the project. The goal was the disbursement of large amounts of cash. Now, every once in a while a project may actually get done with that dispersal of cash but that is not the driving consideration.

    In Ontario Canada we have had Billion dollar boondoggle after billion dollar boondoggle. Whether its Ontario residents paying some of the highest rates in Hydro despite the Province having an abundance of it and selling it cheap to the US citizens or the eDocument Health Care failures. Billions go out to various consultants and others and the projects remain a mess with no real value realized by the citizens whose tax dollars have paid for them. So what does that mean? It means the gov't (a future gov't) gets to try and fix it all again with another Billion dollar budget.

    Those are the goals of gov't and I mean that with no hyperbole or cynicism intended. I really do not believe 'success' of the project is even in their top 5 priorities when they tender the job and make payments.
     
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  17. second sight

    second sight Reversing Submissions from Father Time

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    I like how they gave themselves an award for best rail or some shit like that, they had wrap type signs on the trains saying they won or were voted best....
     
  18. Yorkist

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    They've had this in Vancouver for like 30+ years. It's really not that complicated.
     
  19. Bay Area

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    damnit.
     
  20. Zankou

    Zankou Muscle and Hate Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    No they haven’t. It’s not even remotely the same. The current Vancouver system is extremely primitive and slow ... it’s no more high speed rail than Pluto is a planet.
     

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