Cambridge Analytica, Psychometrics, Russia, and the Trump Campaign

[JosephDredd]

He looks like he's about to burst out in tears too, constantly. Something about him rubs me off the wrong way. He looks like he's on craigslist looking for twinks.

...pardon?

 

[Jopious Extronimous]

hi Jopious and good morning,



you're jumping around here a bit. at first, one of your complaints was about subliminal messaging and its use in US political campaigns - and i'm saying that stuff has been going on for a while now.

now you're pointing out the illegality of what FB did. correct me if i am wrong (i've only been following the story for a distance, listening to the development on NPR), but what FB did is not illegal in the United States; it's illegal in some European countries, and that's where the lawsuit stems from.



i doubt it's never happened before. it probably has been going on for as long as peoples names ended up on mailing lists that resulted in them being targeted with specific advertising and/or political propaganda.

meaning, its been going on forever.



for Trump supporters, its just one more effort to flog the POTUS whilst ignoring the vast good that he's doing the country.



i don't think everything is ok, though i think alot of us would disagree on why everything is not ok.

- IGIT

You say this is totally common and has been going on forever... yet you haven't given me one comparable example.

The reason is because this isn't common, has not been going on forever, and is a big deal. It is a reason to fault FB, CA and Trump's campaign. It's not "just another" anything. It's a major story all by itself.

Honestly I can't even really understand why you're attempting to write this off as standard operating procedure. If you wanna know just how pervasive and effective this assault on democracy was, take a poll....

Ask the forum how many people still believe Pizzagate, and that Seth Rich was murdered by the DNC. The results will tell you all you need to know about what CA did during this election.

 

[HomerThompson]

i read the first 1/3

 

[IGIT]

ahoy Homer!

i saw that it would take attention to read it, lol.

imma home now, and i'll read the rest now.

- IGIT

 

[IGIT]

hi again Jopious,

You say this is totally common and has been going on forever... yet you haven't given me one comparable example.

just look back at the 2008 election, and Axelrod's use of data analytics via the Facebook app his team deployed to rouse voters.

the only real difference is that Obama's team accessed the data consensually. the methodology was exactly the same.

Facebook doesn't request consent, because the US doesn't really have Europe's tough eprivacy laws - FB doesn't need consent, you know?

The reason is because this isn't common, has not been going on forever, and is a big deal. It is a reason to fault FB, CA and Trump's campaign. It's not "just another" anything. It's a major story all by itself.

it went on just eight years ago.

Honestly I can't even really understand why you're attempting to write this off as standard operating procedure.

because this debate reminds me alot of the TPP thread, where people moan about globalism.

globalism here to stay - its 2018. we have large shipping vessels. we have jet airplanes. we have broadband. its reality.

so is data mining, and the sharing of that data. at least, that's the reality in the United States. i'm ok with it.

just think about it.

if this was 1970, would you walk into your local grocery store and buy pornography? no. i don't think you would. you would be exposed as a strange and perverted individual in your society.

so why do people traverse the internet and give their lives to FB without a thought in the world? they leave trails of breadcrumbs leading to the innermost sanctums of their private lives - and they know its happening too.

at this point, this outrage seems rather late in coming, don't you think?

you buy one thing - and your contact info is sold, ending up on lists for endless solicitors. this is ordinary. its been going on for decades. the reality that its happening in political campaigns can't be that shocking, can it?

Ask the forum how many people still believe Pizzagate, and that Seth Rich was murdered by the DNC. The results will tell you all you need to know about what CA did during this election.

i'd hesitate to say pejorative things about any poster in particular...but if you believed that stuff, i guess you're just kind of dumb, aye?

like, stupid.

those same people believed that JFK would bring ruin the country because of his horrific Catholicism a half century ago. stupidity is an ageless phenomenon.

- IGIT

 

[tonni]

...pardon?

I don't know what I am talking about. I probably said something bad. The off's got to go right?

 

[JosephDredd]

I don't know what I am talking about. I probably said something bad. The off's got to go right?

Lol it was a hell of a typo.

 

[HomerThompson]

*87 million users

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Facebook Inc (FB.O) said on Wednesday that the personal information of up to 87 million users, mostly in the United States, may have been improperly shared with political consultancy Cambridge Analytica, up from a previous news media estimate of more than 50 million.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-widening-privacy-scandal-idUSKCN1HB2CM?il=0

 

[bobgeese]

*87 million users

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Facebook Inc (FB.O) said on Wednesday that the personal information of up to 87 million users, mostly in the United States, may have been improperly shared with political consultancy Cambridge Analytica, up from a previous news media estimate of more than 50 million.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-widening-privacy-scandal-idUSKCN1HB2CM?il=0

Honestly, so what?


How is this any different than google or Facebook themselves gathering your data?


I don’t Facebook, so maybe I don’t get it. It seems like common sense to me that if you plaster your life on the Internet, it’s now public information.

 

[bobgeese]

 

[all caps]

Suspiciously it has gone from "illegal" to "improper"

 

[HereticBD]

Suspiciously it has gone from "illegal" to "improper"

It never was "illegal". Only hysterical Libs want to believe it was, and act like this is some new and diabolical act. Shit's been going on for years, and the people all of sudden caring about it would've shrugged, or called you a nutter for suspecting it in the past.

 

[HomerThompson]

Honestly, so what?


How is this any different than google or Facebook themselves gathering your data?


I don’t Facebook, so maybe I don’t get it. It seems like common sense to me that if you plaster your life on the Internet, it’s now public information.

If your understanding is so poor, you honestly need to read all the articles in the OP. Thanks.

 

[bobgeese]

If your understanding is so poor, you honestly need to read all the articles in the OP. Thanks.

Read the OP and can gather your argument.


But it’s a private company selling information that people willingly shared.


If anything, Facebook deserves the most criticism, but none of it is illegal as far as I know.

 

[Fawlty]

Suspiciously it has gone from "illegal" to "improper"

That's not suspicious at all. That's the wording of Facebook's own statement. In what galaxy would they do a press release on this saying they broke the law? (at this point)

 

[bobgeese]

It never was "illegal". Only hysterical Libs want to believe it was, and act like this is some new and diabolical act. Shit's been going on for years, and the people all of sudden caring about it would've shrugged, or called you a nutter for suspecting it in the past.

Actually it was celebrated when obama did it.


And fair game to him. He was a very astute politician.

 

[all caps]

That's not suspicious at all. That's the wording of Facebook's own statement. In what galaxy would they do a press release on this saying they broke the law? (at this point)

All I'm saying is, the narrative people were pushing was how this was illegal, now it's down to improper, next will be investigation, and I expect it will face into obscurity after that. Weve seen this happen with everything else... its tiring

 

[Fawlty]

All I'm saying is, the narrative people were pushing was how this was illegal, now it's down to improper, next will be investigation, and I expect it will face into obscurity after that. Weve seen this happen with everything else... its tiring

It sounds like you're just making that up because that's what you want to believe.

 

[Jopious Extronimous]

Honestly, so what?


How is this any different than google or Facebook themselves gathering your data?


I don’t Facebook, so maybe I don’t get it. It seems like common sense to me that if you plaster your life on the Internet, it’s now public information.

It never was "illegal". Only hysterical Libs want to believe it was, and act like this is some new and diabolical act. Shit's been going on for years, and the people all of sudden caring about it would've shrugged, or called you a nutter for suspecting it in the past.

The willingness to be played like fools and complete acceptance of it when thrown in your face is a conman's wet dream. How could you be anything but Trump supporters....

You two are shining examples of what CA did. Targeted people not just likely to accept lies, but people who pretty much wanted to be lied to. Makes the world easier when you don't have to actually process it. Just pretend everything's good, complain about articles written by feminists, and keep telling your dick it hasn't seen pussy in years because of progressives...

 

[Darkballs]

Read the OP and can gather your argument.


But it’s a private company selling information that people willingly shared.


If anything, Facebook deserves the most criticism, but none of it is illegal as far as I know.

You clearly aren't informed of the issue.

The issue, such as people complain of, is that facebook was supposed to notify the user if their data was accessed by a 3rd party. The facebook rules were easy to exploit though, and an account claiming to be a poli-sci data study was allowed access to user data. They then violated the facebook rules and sold the data to Cambridge Anly. Facebook found out about the breach and sent a cease and desist letter, but did little else, and didn't warn the user.

Regardless, the harm would have been the "oh no, they steered a politically motivated add on my facebook page." As a light facebook user (like, once a month check to see if i missed someone's birthday), it's hard to get worked up over.

But still, facebook is the looser here, because that part of 3rd party shared content should be disclosed to the user when a breach, which be definition of the user agreement, and was outside of the terms of said agreement.

So just tell the user. Facebook sucks.